The Realistic Cards Advanced Clause - Rules and Comments Thread [READ THIS.]

[Strider Tigerwolf]

45 > 65. Wait wha? Reason has been stated: Because not everyone is knowledgeable of the game. Plus we have new members from time to time that probably haven't read the advance clause and just go straight into card making (guilty as charged when I started). But what I like about this clause is the "positive reinforcement" bit where you reward good reviews with a sticky. It's a nice way of saying "you did good my son, here's a cookie."

[newhat]

I think it's a simple solution to a complex problem, that short +1 posts don't drive discussion.

It's a lot easier to make a false statement someone can pounce on with 100 words than with 20. You can make bad posts with 45 words, but at least they'll be meaty bad posts instead of flippant "this is good" or "this sucks".

[Sander]

65 IS better than 45. What? You shouldn't be in REALISTIC cards if you don't have at least [i]some[/i] knowledge of the damn game.

[Zelfore]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1346880496' post='6019753']
65 IS better than 45. What? You shouldn't be in REALISTIC cards if you don't have at least [i]some[/i] knowledge of the damn game.
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I've seen some of the posts in this forum, and I must say, many people [b]don't[/b] know anything about the card game. Sad, and I do agree they shouldn't be here, but that's people for ya'.

I personally am glad this is here.
Awards for card makers and review reporters are reasonable. 45 words is far from a hassle. But I do agree that 100 posts is too leniant, 85 does seems like a more well-rounded number.

I wasn't here for the previous advanced clause, but I've been awaiting its return since the third day I've been on YCM. Glad to see RC achieving substance.
[sup][color=#d3d3d3][size=1](I might just start posting myself again.)[/size][/color][/sup]

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1346880496' post='6019753']
65 IS better than 45. What? You shouldn't be in REALISTIC cards if you don't have at least [i]some[/i] knowledge of the damn game.
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Well, sorry to break it to you, but quite a few people in RC don't know anything about the meta. And that's terrible, but when we started, it was the same for us. You eventually get into it via osmosis. The point of the AC is to speed up the osmotic process and prevent people from (as the venerable poster above so rightly put it) making flippant comments. A long, poorly written comment is better than a short, flippant comment.

[Stan Alda]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1346880496' post='6019753']
65 IS better than 45. What? You shouldn't be in REALISTIC cards if you don't have at least [i]some[/i] knowledge of the damn game.
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True, true. My guess is that most people who post here can't count to 65 when they're typing. An at least decent review should easily get to 45 words. Trying to reach a higher number might lead to padding. And as cheesy as it sounds, sometimes 45 is all you need, especially if it's an extremely simple card.

[b]Royce [i][Transmetropolitan][/i]:[/b][i] "Your first deadline's tomorrow. I want to see eight thousand words. Printable words. I still remember that essay you wrote when the Beast got elected. I do not want to see the word "f_(k" typed eight thousand times again."[/i]

[Aerion Brightflame]

EDIT: Double post sorry.

[Aerion Brightflame]

I agree that 85 is a better point to do start enforcing the cluase on them. Since generally, if people are going to be decent at reviewing, then they will pick it up within that time frame. Or at least understand what is an accepted review here.

65 words instead of 45? Umm, I'm iffy on that, just becuase, sometimes there isn't actually 65 words to say. I agree that 45 should be a bit higher, sinces its a tad to easy to ramble and give probably less feedback. Maybe a compromise in the middle at 55? Since, its still easy to write, but requires you to roughly know a bit about the game in order to fill that much, and still gives newer members the chance to post without struggling. Since sometimes you might as well say a lot in a little than the other way around. I for one would end up babbling about small points at 65 words, if I was reviewing an already decent card. Which really doesn't help.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I think I know the answer to this already, but I want to double check. Do Card Grammar fixes count towards the word requirement?

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Archbaron Striker' timestamp='1346985812' post='6020569']
I think I know the answer to this already, but I want to double check. Do Card Grammar fixes count towards the word requirement?
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As long as they are not the entire post, yes. By that I mean you have to supplement them with at least a sentence of some other comment.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

[quote name='Mihails Tāls' timestamp='1347002549' post='6020670']
As long as they are not the entire post, yes. By that I mean you have to supplement them with at least a sentence of some other comment.
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I'm kind of lagging on this one...Wouldn't it be better to "fix the card" without it counting toward the 45 word minimum post requirement, and then follow it up with said uncounted input?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I was thinking that OCG fixes don't count towards the requirement since people could C&P the lore, fix the OCG, and write little about what they think about the card. It doesn't seem right to me at all.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1347027454' post='6020737']
I'm kind of lagging on this one...Wouldn't it be better to "fix the card" without it counting toward the 45 word minimum post requirement, and then follow it up with said uncounted input?
[/quote]

It would, but it does two things: it forces people to make longer posts, which puts people off. Secondly, it makes the AC more complicated, and I worry a lot about that. Over-complication was the death of the previous AC.

EDIT: Rules updated. You're right, actually, it shouldn't count. That defeats much of the point of the AC.

[ihop]

My issue with this is that people will start rambling if their review is like 35 words or something. Personally I feel in the case of comments with 25+ words the mod's judgment should be used to see whether the post is worthwhile.

[Mehmani]

That rambling has no effect on the quality of the review though. It is based on the fact that rambling for 45 words takes some effort, especially to make it look relevant. Also, it's working very well so far.

[jjorda6985]

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[Ailove]

This post is very good, there is a lot to learn.

[Mehmani]

There has been a spate of reports regarding new members who break the Advanced Clause. Just a little reminder, because it often irritates me:

[size=8][b]THE ADVANCED CLAUSE [color=#ff0000][i]DOES NOT[/i][/color] APPLY TO THOSE WITH LESS THAN 100 POSTS. THANK YOU.[/b][/size]

[size=8][size=4]Caps lock for loud, booming emphasis.[/size][/size]

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

Your scaring away my 7 GB worth of cards that I made during the last 6 years with this stupid thing! I have many good cards but I don't want to risk a warning every time I post, sigh... Who else wants this regulation gone?


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For all you nit pickers out there, it says 2009 because I had to copy 1 of the folders from 1 computer to another, the first card is dated september 2006.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

[quote name='I Hate Snatch Steal' timestamp='1351871557' post='6059438']
Your scaring away my 7 GB worth of cards that I made during the last 6 years with this stupid thing! I have many good cards but I don't want to risk a warning every time I post, sigh... Who else wants this regulation gone?
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For all you nit pickers out there, it says 2009 because I had to copy 1 of the folders from 1 computer to another, the first card is dated september 2006.
[/quote]

Starting a thread and posting in your own thread are not affected by the AC. It is only when you comment on somebody else's card(s) where the AC applys.

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

good 2 know

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

you don't get people to say good indepth things by threatening them....

[newhat]

I don't know about that, but I frequently avoid posting on topics where all I have to say is "This forms an Infinite Loop with Macro Cosmos unless you change its Mandatory Trigger Effect to Optional" or "This is strictly outclassed by Summoned Skull". If that was your intention, good job, I suppose.

[Zazubat]

I think the Advanced Clause is good in it's purpose, but it does make for some problems. People of other nationalities may be limited in their english language skill, I can say that for myself, I sometimes have a hard time coming up with things to say because I simply don't know how to say it, and that annoys me since I need to follow those 45 words. I don't think it should be a requirement, but something to strife for, if you know what I mean. You can post a good review in 45 words or less, or at least something that would help the card maker, like saying, hey this card would not work because X could be summoned and you would win easily. That in itself is useful information that the creator can take into a count, while others like lame card 1/10 isn't. I don't think it should be required, but maybe nudge the reviewer and say that more useful information is needed.

As someone pointed out previously, you should have knownlage when posting in RC, and while I somewhat agree, I think we're just pushing people out who don't have more knownlage to the game who wish to provite insightful reviews. I mean I post card in RC more often then other places, because of the fact that I want the more insightful input since I'm not as familiar with what works in current game and not. If I make cards that break the game, people will tell me, but others might not know much about the supect and takes it for granded that you should know more about it then you already do. If we just say, well you shouldn't post here unless you know that and that, we are being discriminating by closing people out who isn't as much into the game as others, and while that may be what the other sub-forums are for, it doesn't seem like the right communtity you would want.

[Aix]

What exactly counts as a review, like if someone just comes by to say "Cool cards." or "Cool set." would that break the advanced clause?