werewolfjedi Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 we all know it's coming though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1347612175' post='6024929'] The "once per turn" imunity for some reason doesn't sound like enough to me. Not in combination with being "once per Duel". [/quote] The "once per turn" immunity already makes the card good as your opponent has to waste at least 2 MST's / etc. to kill it. And can you imagine the card without the once per duel clause and all of the effects that it has at the moment? I can only imagine that people would b**** and moan about how it's broken because it's so hard to kill, so the card was given a once per duel clause to stop abuse like that etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 if it didn't have that clause then people wouldn't even bother killing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's once per duel because nobody ever activates more than 1 Seal. That would be dumb. If it had an effect that it can be activated at the start of a duel it would fit the show pretty well, but also be overpowered as heck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-Psi Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 If this is the effect sea lancer frogs can abuse this in every way. This card is just begging for shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Anything that runs a Field Spell will run it as a 1-of. Anything that wants the power boost won't be fussy and take the power boost. Monarchs and T.G. and anti-meta can all use this. Why is everyone moaning? It's not as if every single card ever made is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Because we've been clamoring to play this card since the first time it was used? And we expected it to be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1347645408' post='6025079'] Anything that runs a Field Spell will run it as a 1-of. Anything that wants the power boost won't be fussy and take the power boost. Monarchs and T.G. and anti-meta can all use this. Why is everyone moaning? It's not as if every single card ever made is good. [/quote] Monarchs? What monarchs are you playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1347645979' post='6025086'] Monarchs? What monarchs are you playing? [/quote] Monarchs [i]could[/i] play it. They won't necessarily do it though. They basically suffer no drawbacks whatsoever from the card. And it lets them run over Laggia and stuff. [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1347645747' post='6025082'] Because we've been clamoring to play this card since the first time it was used? And we expected it to be good? [/quote] If you expected it to be good, then have fun. Because it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1347646422' post='6025090'] If you expected it to be good, then have fun. Because it's good. [/quote] Except for the whole "no Extra Deck part". Which slices decks that can play this to almost none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1347646624' post='6025092'] Except for the whole "no Extra Deck part". Which slices decks that can play this to almost none. [/quote] Grapha: Except for the whole 'it's part of an archetype part'. Which slices decks that can play this to almost none (apart from Dark Worlds). When did narrow cards become bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's not that it isn't a useable card in its own right, but it's severely disappointing compared to what people expected, and what they had wished it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1347647705' post='6025100'] It's not that it isn't a useable card in its own right, but it's severely disappointing compared to what people expected, and what they had wished it to be. [/quote] Which is why I wonder what people had wished for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Face it, these people are all butthurt because they removed the soul sucking effect from the Seal. Or maybe that they just wanted another overpowered card. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1347639557' post='6025029'] The "once per turn" immunity already makes the card good as your opponent has to waste at least 2 MST's / etc. to kill it. And can you imagine the card without the once per duel clause and all of the effects that it has at the moment? I can only imagine that people would b**** and moan about how it's broken because it's so hard to kill, so the card was given a once per duel clause to stop abuse like that etc. etc. [/quote] There are enough options to kill it rather easily. I've seen side-decked Magic Drains that could ruin it very badly. Kaius and any type of alternative removal. Phoenix Wing Wind Blast would be a smack in the face to return a card to the Deck that you have to draw next turn but are unable to activate again for the rest of the Duel. Then we also have +0/+1 destruction. Zenmaines + MST, JD, DAD, I could live with the "once per turn" clause if it wasn't a "once per Duel" card. It is still kinda usable, but the opponent being able to kill it next turn at the start of the Duel kills the flavor for me as a fan. and when I first heard "Orichalcos" was comming out, it was the first Legendary Collection I was willing to get multiple copies of.... not so sure anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1347648255' post='6025104'] There are enough options to kill it rather easily. I've seen side-decked Magic Drains that could ruin it very badly. Kaius and any type of alternative removal. Phoenix Wing Wind Blast would be a smack in the face to return a card to the Deck that you have to draw next turn but are unable to activate again for the rest of the Duel. Then we also have +0/+1 destruction. Zenmaines + MST, JD, DAD, I could live with the "once per turn" clause if it wasn't a "once per Duel" card. It is still kinda usable, but the opponent being able to kill it next turn at the start of the Duel kills the flavor for me as a fan. and when I first heard "Orichalcos" was comming out, it was the first Legendary Collection I was willing to get multiple copies of.... not so sure anymore... [/quote] - Anyone who runs Magic Drain this format is bad. - It still manages to waste your opponent's resources once you get it out, so alternative removal doesn't matter anyway unless they get it quick enough. - Once per duel is irrelevant when you only want one in a duel anyway. Who would run this at more than 1 anyway? I guess the real appeal in the card was because of the fact that it's the Seal of Orichalcos. Yeah, the TCG team have better things to do than to match the anime, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I wonder how this would play with Geartown...(if obvious question is obvious...then sorry for my temporary stupidity) Activate Geartown, then Activate Oricalcos. SS 3.5k beater that can't be stopped by battle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1347648998' post='6025110'] I wonder how this would play with Geartown...(if obvious question is obvious...then sorry for my temporary stupidity) Activate Geartown, then Activate Oricalcos. SS 3.5k beater that can't be stopped by battle? [/quote] If you activate Geartown, then activate Orichalcos, Geartown misses timing and you don't get the chance for Gadjiltron. If you set Orichalcos, you can Summon Gadjiltron but obviously it dies as soon as you flip Orichalcos up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1347648998' post='6025110'] I wonder how this would play with Geartown...(if obvious question is obvious...then sorry for my temporary stupidity) Activate Geartown, then Activate Oricalcos. SS 3.5k beater that can't be stopped by battle? [/quote] Geartown does not activate if you place your spell face-up. It has to be Set, and if you did Set it and activated it, then Dragon would be destroyed by the Seal's effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1347648767' post='6025108'] - Anyone who runs Magic Drain this format is bad. [color=blue]It's the start of the format and some people have been experimenting, what do you expect?[/color] - It still manages to waste your opponent's resources once you get it out, so alternative removal doesn't matter anyway unless they get it quick enough.[color=blue] That's true, I guess...[/color] - Once per duel is irrelevant when you only want one in a duel anyway. Who would run this at more than 1 anyway? [color=blue]Someone that wanted to prepare for when the opponent got rid of it, maybe? I don't think Gravekeepers run just 1 Necrovalley, or Madolches 1 Chateau.[/color] I guess the real appeal in the card was because of the fact that it's the Seal of Orichalcos. Yeah, the TCG team have better things to do than to match the anime, to be honest. [color=blue]To be fair, the anime prior to GX is somewhat hard to match.... Right.[/color] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1347649163' post='6025114'] Geartown does not activate if you place your spell face-up. It has to be Set, and if you did Set it and activated it, then Dragon would be destroyed by the Seal's effect. [/quote] [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1347649121' post='6025112'] If you activate Geartown, then activate Orichalcos, Geartown misses timing and you don't get the chance for Gadjiltron. If you set Orichalcos, you can Summon Gadjiltron but obviously it dies as soon as you flip Orichalcos up. [/quote] Basically stupid question was stupid. Oh wells. Card would be fun to play with Monarchs, but honestly, I don't see a good competitive deck running this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 At least it's better than the other Orichalcos card... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1347647837' post='6025101'] Which is why I wonder what people had wished for. [/quote] Well, at the very least I think they expected a card that didn't have severe negative clauses to its 2 okay effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I'm sorry... but from that speculated effect, I am teching this in my Rock Stun. I like the idea fo 2400 beaters who can both negate card effects, and can't be attacked. Since unless I have misread it, if you only control monsters with the same attack, you can't have either of them attacked, becuase they are both the weakest. So yeah, I may enjoy this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Archbaron Barthandelus' timestamp='1347655217' post='6025164'] I'm sorry... but from that speculated effect, I am teching this in my Rock Stun. I like the idea fo 2400 beaters who can both negate card effects, and can't be attacked. Since unless I have misread it, if you only control monsters with the same attack, you can't have either of them attacked, becuase they are both the weakest. So yeah, I may enjoy this. [/quote] The effect is actually confirmed now, to be exactly what people thought it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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