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[quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354059774' post='6079556']
i cant tell its a different topic because you keep bringing it up when talking about BLS and frankly you are not a very effective communicator. who cares if you think its a contradiction? you yourself keep saying you dont actually care either way about any of these cards yet keep insisting everyone listen to you and only you when youre the only person arguing for BLS to not be banned. i really dont understand what youre trying to prove here besides something about "the meta" which if you had your way would be negatively impacted.


in short: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Okay, allow me to ask you a question. Are you from the future? And if so do you know how the next tourny will end? Do you know what cards in that tourny were problematic or even broken?

The Answers to all of these questions are "No" you don't know how the next tourny will play out or what problem cards will arise. To be fair, the same applies to me. We can only make speculations on what will happen and what would be problematic. As such I'm willing to make a compromise. We wait and see what happens. If indeed BLS does play a major roll like you all think then I'll admit I'm wrong and the ban can happen without any complaining from me. If it doesn't however, then you guys don't ban BLS. No saying you were wrong or anything. That's fair compromise.

Your right in that I don't care about the cards but I do care about unfairness and controdictions.

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i do not need to be from the future to see this card is problematic and neither does anyone else. let me state exactly what the issues are:

1) this format has summoning sickness for extra deck monsters. this is a main deck card and does not have that weakness.
2) most extra deck monsters cannot run this over. i dont mean the ones most commonly used, or the ones that are the best in this format. i mean most of them period. there are only 18 synchro monsters with >3000 atk, and the majority of those need tuner synchros or are otherwise difficult to get out. as for xyz monsters? theres only FIVE with greater than 3000 attack.
3) in the off chance someone DOES get an extra deck monster out, it wont be able to attack that turn. so unless its something like big eye this monster is gonna kill it or banish it. not to mention this card has honest support which makes killing it by battle even harder.
4) getting rid of it by effects is also not easy, as many cards that could deal with this are on the format's limited or semi-limited lists. the only reason this card isnt dominating the regular format is because they have the maximum allowable copies of things like solemns bottomless torrential et al. it is inconceivable that a card thats very good in the main format, where theres so much more to combat it could be allowed in this one, where the options are far more limited.

finally, you are really not in a position to be making demands like that? this isnt your format and its not your tournament youre running. the decision was that everyone would come to an agreement and that agreement is for the most part ban BLS. if you dont like that then i guess dont play in the next tournament? but dont sit here and demand things from other people for no reason other than "i dont like this but i actually dont care but i really do". just dont play dude. but dont try and make it less fun for everyone else.

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[quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354065815' post='6079676']
i do not need to be from the future to see this card is problematic and neither does anyone else. let me state exactly what the issues are:

1) this format has summoning sickness for extra deck monsters. this is a main deck card and does not have that weakness.
2) most extra deck monsters cannot run this over. i dont mean the ones most commonly used, or the ones that are the best in this format. i mean most of them period. there are only 18 synchro monsters with >3000 atk, and the majority of those need tuner synchros or are otherwise difficult to get out. as for xyz monsters? theres only FIVE with greater than 3000 attack.
3) in the off chance someone DOES get an extra deck monster out, it wont be able to attack that turn. so unless its something like big eye this monster is gonna kill it or banish it. not to mention this card has honest support which makes killing it by battle even harder.
4) getting rid of it by effects is also not easy, as many cards that could deal with this are on the format's limited or semi-limited lists. the only reason this card isnt dominating the regular format is because they have the maximum allowable copies of things like solemns bottomless torrential et al. it is inconceivable that a card thats very good in the main format, where theres so much more to combat it could be allowed in this one, where the options are far more limited.

finally, you are really not in a position to be making demands like that? this isnt your format and its not your tournament youre running. the decision was that everyone would come to an agreement and that agreement is for the most part ban BLS. if you dont like that then i guess dont play in the next tournament? but dont sit here and demand things from other people for no reason other than "i dont like this but i actually dont care but i really do". just dont play dude. but dont try and make it less fun for everyone else.
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First off have you even played in any of the tournys so far? ?.?
If not then what gives you the right to start saying that this card is problematic in this format.

I "have" played in a few of the tournys so far so I can at least say that BLS hasn't made any impact yet. Granted with the new changes it "could" make an impact but it is not a fact that it will.

1. I'm more then aware of the summoning sickness.
2. I'll give you this one.
3. Same as 2
4. This I don't agree with. There is less Spell/Trap hate around which makes traps more viable. Not to mention the fact that there are actually a plentiful amount of monster destruction. Such as Smashing Ground, Soul Taker, D-Prison, Memory of an Adversary, Compulse (Only a temporary prevention), Black Rose (if you can play it), Karma Cut, and more.

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[quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1354064076' post='6079651']
Okay, allow me to ask you a question. Are you from the future? And if so do you know how the next tourny will end? Do you know what cards in that tourny were problematic or even broken?

The Answers to all of these questions are "No" you don't know how the next tourny will play out or what problem cards will arise. To be fair, the same applies to me. We can only make speculations on what will happen and what would be problematic. As such I'm willing to make a compromise. We wait and see what happens. If indeed BLS does play a major roll like you all think then I'll admit I'm wrong and the ban can happen without any complaining from me. If it doesn't however, then you guys don't ban BLS. No saying you were wrong or anything. That's fair compromise.

Your right in that I don't care about the cards but I do care about unfairness and controdictions.
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So...to find out if we SHOULD ban BLS for this tournament...we should play the tournament to see if it needs to be banned or not? You do realize that by that point, it's to late right? You sir have made NO sense in this debate from the moment it started. You even asked why we should take you seriously. Well, I agree with you. We SHOULDN'T take you seriously, and I suggest we start ignoring you. All you're doing is filling up this thread with posts arguing against anything we decide one, simply because you want BLS to remain unbanned EVEN THOUGH you said you don't wanna use him. Long story short, you're wasting everyone's time.

Chance, let's just ignore him and ban BLS since everyone else agrees.

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Changed my vote in the poll, just on the part that is regarding Exodia.
I mean, design-wise, it's solitaire, it's stall, it's boring, but tbh, it's not exactly the most relevant thing out there to use. If people want to use it, let them.
Not to mention having the least possible amount of keys hit, leaves more options, even if such options were bad, they would still be there.



In the same way, BLS:
My personal opinion is that it gets banned.
If it's banned, Primal Seed gets out to unlimited, and I'd like to personally see an unlimited Chaos Sorcerer, too, but I also want people to reply to this part so I can see if I'm letting nonsense escape my mouth or not.

Lastly, do not wait for changes. It's gonna be the fifth tourney so we should have enough feedback, even if the changes don't fix EVERYTHING, whatever that can be fixed is a good thing.





^There, no contradictions.

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Hmmmm semi sounds good enough, and yeah... I guess it can be a bit too good, too.



Speaking of something different now [s]to get away from D.A.'s argument[/s], it just occured to me:
How good/bad would it be if Book of Moon was at something other than 1 ?

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[quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1354119993' post='6080129']
How is it irrational? My opinion doesn't matter so by extension my vote doesn't matter.
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Stop confusing politics with Yugioh. .-.

BLS is a bad card and deserves to be banned no matter what format you're playing in. You could be playing a format that bans all DARK monsters and I'd STILL have BLS banned.

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[quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1354120178' post='6080132']
Stop confusing politics with Yugioh. .-.

BLS is a bad card and deserves to be banned no matter what format you're playing in. You could be playing a format that bans all DARK monsters and I'd STILL have BLS banned.
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I'm not.

My vote is an extension of my opinion and as my opinion doesn't matter so does my vote. Thats all.

As for BLS, there's no point in even discussing it with me anymore. I'll just take the banning quietly. :(

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[quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1354120801' post='6080140']
I'm not.

My vote is an extension of my opinion and as my opinion doesn't matter so does my vote. Thats all.
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Because that's what everyone thinks when they go to vote-you know what, never mind. That joke is obviously not meant for this type of situation.

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>_< D.A. your opinion "specified" is really backwards since you're contradicting your own statements. As such, it only looks like you're ranting, without ranting, saying things without saying much, implying meaning to the meaningless. Your "vote", however, is still looked at since it's still a point of view. If you retract your vote, that's fine, you won't be heard. If you put your vote, that's fine too, it just gives certain oppositions more power, but you're also being heard, even if your not being agreed with. Even then, san made it best:

[quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1354120178' post='6080132']
Stop confusing politics with Yugioh. .-.
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Anyways...The poll will stay until Friday 30th, 2012 12:00 PM (GMT: -6:00). Then I will finalized the consensus and move to the development and finalization of our ban list to which it will be applied for the next tournament.

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[quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1354077403' post='6079888']
[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]So...to find out if we SHOULD ban BLS for this tournament...we should play the tournament to see if it needs to be banned or not? You do realize that by that point, it's to late right? You sir have made NO sense in this debate from the moment it started. You even asked why we should take you seriously. Well, I agree with you. We SHOULDN'T take you seriously, and I suggest we start ignoring you. All you're doing is filling up this thread with posts arguing against anything we decide one, simply because you want BLS to remain unbanned EVEN THOUGH you said you don't wanna use him. Long story short, you're wasting everyone's time.[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Chance, let's just ignore him and ban BLS since everyone else agrees. [/background][/size][/font][/color]
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I'm just going to go by this. That is all okay.

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[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1354121133' post='6080145']
If you retract your vote,[u][i][b] that's fine[/b][/i][/u], you won't be heard. If you put your vote,[u][i][b] that's fine too[/b][/i][/u], it just gives certain oppositions more power, but you're also being heard, even if your not being agreed with.
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I'm starting to rethink the whole Exodia being problematic...especially since Dark Red Enchanter won me 3 games in a row during a test...

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[i][b]Newly Banned:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Power Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Exodia Head[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]DAD[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Stratos[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Gorz[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Inzektor Dragonfly[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Inzektor Hornet[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Lonefire[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Morphing Jar[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Necroface[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]RedRum[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#808080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Shi En[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#808080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]T.G. Hyper Librarian[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Wind-Up Zenmaity[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#0000FF][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Evigishki Gustkraken[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Advanced Ritual Art[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Black Whirlwind[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Card Destruction[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Dark Hole[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Gateway of the Six[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Heavy Storm[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Infernity Launcher[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Limiter Removal[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Mind Control[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Monster Reborn[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Ceasefire[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Return from the Different Dimension[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Solemn Judgment[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Ultimate Offering[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Special Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FFD700][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Exodia's Limbs[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Chaos Sorcerer[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Gale the Whirlwind[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Dandylion[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]G.Beast Bestiari[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Honest[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Mezuki[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Grand Mole[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Night Assailant[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Plague Spreader[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Sangan[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Spore[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]T.G. Striker[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Tsukuyomi[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#808080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Formula Synchron[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Allure of Darkness[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Book of Moon[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Burial from the Different Dimension[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Charge of the Light Brigade[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Foolish Burial[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Monster Gate[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]One for One[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Pot of Avarice[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Reinforcement of the Army[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Scapegoat[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Magical Explosion[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]The Transmigration Prophecy[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Wall of Revealing Light[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Power Semi-Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Archlord Kristya[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Debris Dragon[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Kalut[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Lumina[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Rescue Rabbit[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Tour Guide[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Tragoedia[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]The Agent - Earth[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]A Hero Lives[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Chain Strike[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]E - Emergency Call[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Pot of Duality[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Royal Tribute[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Shi En's Smoke Signal[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Mirror Force[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Solemn Warning[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Torrential Tribute[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Special Semi-Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Card Trooper[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Malicious[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Summoner Monk[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Reborn Tengu[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#A9A9A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Dewloren[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Magical Stone Excavation[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Reasoning[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Bottomless Trap Hole[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Mind Crush[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Ojama Trio[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Newly Unlimited:[/b][/i]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Primal Seed[/b][/size][/font][/color]
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Putting this here.

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Chance, not to be rude, but I'd like to have you say you disagree with me when you do, because I sometimes think I've got a point across, and then I see nothing changes.

Is Special Unlimited still a thing?

Whatever happened to the last time I suggested "2 semi-limited slots" instead of "2 copies of a semi-limited only", and you seemed to say "sure".


This is not an angry rant or anything, but I somewhat feel ignored =(

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[quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1354133530' post='6080305']
*slaps Chance*

Don't ignore Sleepy! Answer her!!!! ...or else! D:<

I honestly think we should use the two slots idea that Sleepy suggested. And this is in no way biased as my current deck idea only uses like...two cards on your list. :<
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Thanks ^^"
though, the idea of "2 slots" instead of "2 that have to be the same", was back before doubling everything. It might be an iffy idea here, depending on the potential. xD

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