Blake Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [center][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120531135751/yugioh/images/thumb/3/3c/MachinaFortress-BP01-EN-R-1E.png/300px-MachinaFortress-BP01-EN-R-1E.png[/img][/center] [center]Would someone like to explain to me how a recurring, at worst, -1 2500 beater that forces your opponent to play around setting it off, most times, and belongs to a type FULL of hand-stocking monsters that completely circumvent is anything short of busted? Regardless of what it does in the metagame, it's still completely awful card design that people ignore and act like it's fine, and I really don't get it. /miniaturerantober[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Because it's not Grapha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 idgi, seems balanced to me given the power creep of the game. As I've said before, it's not 2005 anymore, the game's a lot faster, and the best cards are even better. Things like this set a standard, and because of that they're, quite frankly, not "broken". People throw that word around more than they throw around blind MSTs and it's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 My guess is people assume this requires a bit of deck-dedication in order to keep your hand at a size that can keep this on the field, and in some obscure manner, could potentially slow it down. .... I dunno'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I love this card. Multiples can hit the field fast, then hide behind Big Eye so the opponent can't take them for Fortress Dragon. Plus, it made Force useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It does seem to do a bit too much. Comes from the hand or the grave, can pop a monster, or force your opponent to discard a card. However, it plays on advantage over time more than overwhelming power. It's always been a powerful card, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 This card caused me to lose at my last locals. My opponent got 3 out at the same time, and he used Fiendish Chain to block the attack from my Malefic Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 If it couldn't discard itself to or it's initial, first summon cost, then I'd have absolutely no problem with it. That ruling is just a bit stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The summoning cost is waaay steeper than Grapha and once it's in the grave it's a lot of effort bringing it back. Although it's very good it's not totally busted and if anything should be hit it's Gearframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I'm sorry, but the thought of any Machina getting hit is absolutely hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1352838435' post='6068468'] I'm sorry, but the thought of any Machina getting hit is absolutely hilarious. [/quote] I agree with this. Gearframe is a good card that adds consistency but I don't think it's list worthy at all. It's really not that difficult to play around a Machina Fortress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 inb4Excalibur OT: I'm kind of glad that Fortress has his groove (read: meta-relevance) back. He's a cool looking card, with some strange effects and a fairly unique summon condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Needs moar Tin Plate Goldfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Being able to discard himself as part of his own cost is stupid...other than that its a good card and I really don't have an issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azphreal Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Sacky. I've played a guy multiple times where he's managed to pull of two+ in one turn. Even Dark Worlds have a little trouble doing that. Even so, not really broken by any means. Think about it: Zenmaines is splashable, and better; Grapha comes back easier than this, and is a better beater; Prophecies can get rid of this anyway; and so on. It's decent, but it's not a huge problem. D-Prison and Bottomless are its worst enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Let's be honest here though; He does play a marvellous game of attrition. I seriously don't understand how people exist that don't like this card. It's easy to play, but hard to master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1352888589' post='6069202'] I seriously don't understand how people exist that don't like this card. It's easy to play, but hard to master. [/quote] For any given card, at least one person who exist who doesn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1352909179' post='6069355'] For any given card, at least one person who exist who doesn't like it. [/quote] Er... thank you captain obvious? I said I don't understand how they don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1352909240' post='6069356'] Er... thank you captain obvious? I said I don't understand how they don't like it. [/quote] You said you didn't understand how people like that exist. I was clarifying the reason of why those people exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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