The Amazing Avian Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not sure if this is where it should go, if this is the wrong place, let it be moved. This has been bugging me for a while. I get that rarities change the value of the cards, but I don't see why some cards are so ungodly expensive. The point is, while I get that some of these cards are good and are hard to pull from packs, who puts the price tags on these cards? Personal Opinion: There's a secret organization of rich yugioh players who are like "We cannot let the common rabble use these cards, or else they'd become tainted by their filth! I propose we price these at $(insert price here) so we can be the only ones who use these cards, thus dominating competitive play and keeping them out of the hands of those filthy commoners." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesirson Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand]Supply and demand[/url] decides the price tag. I don't actually know. I'm not into RL Yu-Gi-Oh! anymore, and I've never shopped for individual cards, but I would guess that rarity, usability and vanity decides the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [quote name='Aesirson' timestamp='1353869985' post='6077692'] I don't actually know. I'm not into RL Yu-Gi-Oh! anymore, and I've never shopped for individual cards, but I would guess that rarity, usability and vanity decides the price. [/quote] [spoiler='Rarity'] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080721034347/yugioh/images/thumb/2/2c/CrushCardVirus-SJCS-EN-UR-LE.png/331px-CrushCardVirus-SJCS-EN-UR-LE.png[/img] [/spoiler] [spoiler='Usability'] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120429230029/yugioh/images/thumb/5/51/ThunderKingRaiOh-RYMP-EN-C-1E.png/327px-ThunderKingRaiOh-RYMP-EN-C-1E.png[/img] [/spoiler] [spoiler='Vanity'] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120129105940/yugioh/images/thumb/e/ed/GagagaGirl-ORCS-EN-ScR-1E.png/300px-GagagaGirl-ORCS-EN-ScR-1E.png[/img] [/spoiler] [spoiler='All 3'] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120613224711/yugioh/images/thumb/0/0e/TourGuideFromtheUnderworldEXVC-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/326px-TourGuideFromtheUnderworldEXVC-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] [/spoiler] So yeah, nail on the head and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 As already said, supply and demand set prices, just like with everything else. Once a fair price has been decided by the market (people arent buying 100,000 dollar cards, but they're buying the same card frequently enough at 25 dollars that nobody would want to sell it for less), it changes based on both supply and demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1353870982' post='6077718']Once a fair price has been decided by the market [/quote]Yeah. Because $300 for a piece of cardboard was fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1353872800' post='6077756'] Yeah. Because $300 for a piece of cardboard was fair. [/quote] Fair doesn't mean "what everyone will pay". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1353874722' post='6077794'] Fair doesn't mean "what everyone will pay". [/quote] [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1353870982' post='6077718'] (people arent buying 100,000 dollar cards, but they're buying the same card frequently enough at 25 dollars that nobody would want to sell it for less) [/quote]If people stop buying a card at a certain price, the card's price should come down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 If you take it too literally, then you're going to make yourself crazy over how [i]cars[/i] can remain so expensive. People still buy the high-end cars, and the makers still make a reasonable profit, so why would they stop making their prices so high? That aside from the cost to produce. There's also the fact that collectability comes into play. Nobody is buying the tournament prize cards for 10,000 dollars, but the price remains that high because it's so desirable and rare. There's also the fact that it's decided ultimately by the person who is selling it. Items can cost 10,000 just because the people who hold them want to sell them for that high. it doesn't mean it will sell, but the price may never come down anyways. Generally, though, you can follow this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just as Aggro's first post here. The price depends on how much someone is willing to pay for them. Us normal people won't really spend over 20 dollars for a single card, and even THAT sounds a bit too much, personally. Despite that, the card game's clients vary a lot when it comes to their economic situation. Some have the money, and are willing to pay a certain amount for a card. Once a few rich people (or a few idiots) pay for a certain high price, that validates the autenticity of such price tag. As long as people recognize that a card is worth that much, and are willing to pay for it, the card will be worth that much, and that's all there is to it. Supply and demand. Elaborating on the examples: That Crush Card was a tournament prize, and because there were so few of them printed, and because it's a sought after card, it's price was in the hundreds. Gagaga Girl is not exactly a competitive-level card like Crush Card, so people mainly wanted to just have her because it's Gagaga Girl, but it still means it's still sought after, and it's price went up just because of that (which is stupid, they bumped her to Secret Rare to see if fans would pay for it. I mean, I'm not a guy but I wouldn't pay too much for sensored art alone). Thunder King, even as a common, is around 6 USD, because of how much use it has. It should have been cheaper, but players still regard it as valuable enough. Tour Guide, being all the above at the same time, resulted in such a ridiculous price tag, up to 200 USD for a single copy, from a card from a regular pack (at least Crush Card had the excuse that there were only like, less than a dozen out there in existence, but this?). People wanted her for the art, people wanted her for the usefulness, and it's the highest possible rarity in a pack. If all Secret Rares appear at an even rate, you should be able to pull 1 Tour Guide for every 192 packs you open, how could it not be expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yea, Tour Guide was one of those 1-in-a-million cards that, just had every single quality for it that would generally make it's price explode from day 1. Though, in terms of playability + rarity, sometimes the card is worthy of it: [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120902012028/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b6/GearGigantX-REDU-EN-ScR-1E.png/300px-GearGigantX-REDU-EN-ScR-1E.png[/img] Other times, not so much: [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111212073827/yugioh/images/thumb/0/0d/ImmortalRulerRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-ImmortalRulerRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 capitalism is a scourge and a plague and this situation is not an exception. for the longest time (and even to some extent even now, though less so) this game is very much pay-to-win. as someone who rarely has the money to spend on cards at all, let alone good ones, im very familiar with how stupid the market is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Don't turn this into an angry rant against capitalism, because that's just stupid. Prices vary based on how much a certain amount of people will buy it for. If just a few people will buy it for more or will only buy it for less, then they will be considered outliers. Capitalism isn't evil. Supply and Demand is the system of pricing that makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I still think that rather than getting rid of Secret Rares like they did during the first half of the GX era, they should lower them to 1/12 just like Ultras. It'd make people happy that they don't have to spend such stupid amounts on something they sometimes NEED to play. At the same time, they wouldn't be common enough either. I don't think any card would ever go beyond 30 USD that way. At least not from regular packs. Not to mention, if people want a card, the demand should be the same, and Konami is supposed to just benefit from the pack sells, so the price at which the community bumps certain cards, shouldn't really affect them. Everyone happy? Of course, not like I expect that to actually happen..... but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1353875325' post='6077806'] If you take it too literally, then you're going to make yourself crazy over how [i]cars[/i] can remain so expensive. People still buy the high-end cars, and the makers still make a reasonable profit, so why would they stop making their prices so high? [/quote]Why are you acting like you're arguing with me when you just proved my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1353877106' post='6077833'] Other times, not so much: [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111212073827/yugioh/images/thumb/0/0d/ImmortalRulerRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-ImmortalRulerRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] [/quote] I would have gone with [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206055535/yugioh/images/7/72/DBoyz-PHSW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Don't forget that companies that sell single cards only [i]get[/i] those cards by buying boxes en masse. They have to recoup the expense of buying those cards by selling them for moneyz. I don't actually know the rarities, and I can't be bothered to look them up, but you can easily calculate the average number of boxes that must be purchased in order to get 1 copy of [i]x[/i] Secret Rare. Multiply that out to reach a number of copies that can fulfill demand and...that's why they're expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1353898393' post='6078109'] I would have gone with [D Boyz.jpg][/quote] D-Boyz is actually playable.... To an extent. Immortal Ruler is just silly, and nerfed into oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 [quote name='Dr. Cakey Arclight' timestamp='1353901331' post='6078139'] Don't forget that companies that sell single cards only [i]get[/i] those cards by buying boxes en masse. They have to recoup the expense of buying those cards by selling them for moneyz. I don't actually know the rarities, and I can't be bothered to look them up, but you can easily calculate the average number of boxes that must be purchased in order to get 1 copy of [i]x[/i] Secret Rare. Multiply that out to reach a number of copies that can fulfill demand and...that's why they're expensive. [/quote] Commons: 8 Per booster Rare: 1 Per booster Super Rare: 1 every 6 boosters Ultra Rare: 1 every 12 boosters Ultimate Rare: 1 out of each 3 ultra Rares Secret Rare: 1 every 24 boosters Ghost Rare: I don't know.... Each booster has a collection of: Total 100 48 Commons 20 Rares 14 Super 10 Ultra 8 Secret (Ultimate and Ghost don't count, they are Ultras) If we imagine all cards of each rarity to be pulled equally, to pull a certain card for sure you'd have to get around: 6 boosters to get all 48 commons 20 boosters to get all 20 rares 84 boosters to get all 14 supers 120 boosters to get all 10 ultras 196 boosters to get all 8 secrets That estimate is "at least" considering repeated cards often will appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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