~British Soul~ Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Target 1 face-up Level 5 or higher monster you control; during this turn, if that target is used for an Xyz Summon, you can treat it as 3 monsters. An Xyz Monster Summoned using that target as Xyz Material loses 1000 ATK. discuss...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 > Normal Summon Beast King Barby > Activate this > Bring out Giantrainer > Draw 3 cards and inflict burn damage > Profit Card is awesome if that's how it works, it makes 3+ material Xyz's much more viable to summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon will still have 3500 ATK, sufficient to beat over pretty much anything and with his effect, he can still likely OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 it doesnt have to stay level 5. kaus on self, this, kaus back to 4, shock master. i never asked for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 makes Rank 5+ monsters some what ridiculously easy to summon but the ATK cost does make it reasonable, say make a Digvorzhak, King of Heavy Industry with 2200 ATK that can at least once mill 3 of your opponents cards and then destroy any cards of your opponents equal to the number of monsters revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Print it as-is for the lulz. Cuz I'm a sadist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 This card does not need to exist. Could you use it with Kaust to get some of Shark's Manga Xyz that require unholy amounts of Level 3s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 This card does not need to exist. Could you use it with Kaust to get some of Shark's Manga Xyz that require unholy amounts of Level 3s? it doesnt have to stay level 5. kaus on self, this, kaus back to 4, shock master. i never asked for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 > Normal Summon Beast King Barby> Activate this> Bring out Giantrainer> Draw 3 cards and inflict burn damageA single Level 8 monster counting as 3 materials, is only going to provide a single Xyz unit.Trainer would only let you draw 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I wasn't stealing your idea, Claire, only expanding on it. Though I need to look at the materials again, because his stuff may require WATER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 A single Level 8 monster counting as 3 materials, is only going to provide a single Xyz unit. Trainer would only let you draw 1. Right you are. It seems Neo Galaxy-Eyes would be the only decent Rank 8 to abuse with this then. The fact that using this card only gives the monster 1 Xyz material is actually a pretty good balancing factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6172816" timestamp="1364743328"]Right you are. It seems Neo Galaxy-Eyes would be the only decent Rank 8 to abuse with this then. The fact that using this card only gives the monster 1 Xyz material is actually a very good balancing factor.[/quote] No, stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Edited. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Right you are. It seems Neo Galaxy-Eyes would be the only decent Rank 8 to abuse with this then. The fact that using this card only gives the monster 1 Xyz material is actually a pretty good balancing factor. What's wrong with you? Barbaros = Neo Galaxy-Eyes is NOT good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6172819" timestamp="1364743484"]Edited. Happy now?[/quote] Not really. Regardless of how many materials it has, you're still pulling a boss monster out of the extra for no cost, no dedication, no nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 you're still pulling a boss monster out of the extra for no cost, no dedication, no nothing.It seems they shall never become anything more then a mere Xyz monster-*shot*Either way, if this ever gets released IRL(Which I highly doubt), they would add like a "Summon Xyz needs to be the same Type"-clause.Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 What's wrong with you? Barbaros = Neo Galaxy-Eyes is NOT good. While a strong play, it's not exactly zomg material. He'd have 3500 ATK and (while not exactly rare) his effect only works if the opponent controls an Xyz. All in all, not that big of a deal tbh. It probably could use a slight nerf in some way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6172833" timestamp="1364744323"]While a strong play, it's not exactly zomg material. He'd have 3500 ATK and (while not exactly rare) his effect only works if the opponent controls an Xyz. All in all, not [i]that[/i] big of a deal tbh. It probably could use a slight nerf in some way though.[/quote] All Konami needs to do is make a powerful, not even broken, just powerful 3-mat rank 8 and your entire argument is finished. Cards like this can only get worse down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 It'd be too good. It'd make 3 Mat monsters absurdly easy to bring out, even if they have to be Rank 5 or higher. And you can still use it for a 2 Material monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 It'd be too good. It'd make 3 Mat monsters absurdly easy to bring out, even if they have to be Rank 5 or higher. And you can still use it for a 2 Material monster. you could use it for basiltrice and not have it be a bad move. or again, kaus can use this for any 3 mat rank 4. the issue is that many 3-mat xyz have such powerful effects that theyre meant to be hard to summon. making them easier to bring out, even for one shot is sometimes all you need to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 you could use it for basiltrice and not have it be a bad move. or again, kaus can use this for any 3 mat rank 4. the issue is that many 3-mat xyz have such powerful effects that theyre meant to be hard to summon. making them easier to bring out, even for one shot is sometimes all you need to win. As Arma pointed out, using this for Basiltrice would still be a bad move (like Giantrainer), because it counts materials, not monsters. Once you perform the summon, the monster that was treated as being 3 monsters is now just 1 Material. Using it with Kaus for a Rank 4 wouldn't be that great either because the monster loses 1000 ATK, so shock master would go down to 1300, and he'd also only be able to use his effect once. The card is surprisingly kinda balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 As Arma pointed out, using this for Basiltrice would still be a bad move (like Giantrainer), because it counts materials, not monsters. Once you perform the summon, the monster that was treated as being 3 monsters is now just 1 Material. Using it with Kaus for a Rank 4 wouldn't be that great either because the monster loses 1000 ATK, so shock master would go down to 1300, and he'd also only be able to use his effect once. The card is surprisingly kinda balanced. Umm... Ok... I'll just use this on my Galaxy-Eyes, turn it into 3 materials, make NEGPD, and effect wipe the field. Before sitting on a 3500 beater, who will have multiple attacks. Kaust play into Shock Master as has been pointed out. It makes Heart-eartH Dragon easy to make for feths sake. It's not suprisingly balanced, it's just limited by the fact a majority of high rank 3 material monsters are currently bad, that will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Umm... Ok... I'll just use this on my Galaxy-Eyes, turn it into 3 materials, make NEGPD, and effect wipe the field. Before sitting on a 3500 beater, who will have multiple attacks. Kaust play into Shock Master as has been pointed out. It makes Heart-eartH Dragon easy to make for feths sake. It's not suprisingly balanced, it's just limited by the fact a majority of high rank 3 material monsters are currently bad, that will change. Did you actually read what I said? I explained why the Shock Master play is sub-par, and arguably bad. NGEPD is pretty much the only decent play this card has at this point, outside of maybe a Heavy Machinery play, which would still be meh most of the time and not problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Easier Number 7/92 FTW! But seriously, no. This needs to be badly nerfed or just not released at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Did you actually read what I said? I explained why the Shock Master play is sub-par, and arguably bad. NGEPD is pretty much the only decent play this card has at this point, outside of maybe a Heavy Machinery play, which would still be meh most of the time and not problematic. Shock Master only needs one turn to change a game hugely into one players favour, if not win it for them. One turn of not being able to respond in some decks, can be the same as skipping a turn. Sorry... Number 92? Or hell, Super Galaxy Robo Destroyer? Both of those are game changing, the former doesn't care about losing attack, and will still be able to resurrect, whilst the latter becomes a unchainable heavy, on a 4k body. With a heavy heavy nerf, it could get a release, anything else creates way to many bad combo's, that shouldn't have to exist. EDIT: Just a thought, but if this thing was released but got given the same clause as other cards like it, so you fetch copies of it from certain places, what's the view on it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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