byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Recent changes Banned Harpie Channeler Spore Tour Guide From the Underworld Lava Golem Volcanic Queen Chain Strike Shooting Quasar Dragon Moulinglace Machina Fortress Limited Grandsoil Sangan Watthopper Hysteric Sign Semilimited Lonefire Blossom Dandylion Deep Sea Diva Shard of Greed Unlimited Machina Gearframe I'm currently thinking about Crane Crane's position on the list, limiting Onslaught, Emergency Teleport's position on the list, and Starlight Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Have you considered banning Mezuki? Zombies aren't the best shit ever but free herpderp from GY barely seems fair in the first place, let alone in a slower format. Meh, just felt like it should be on there. Either way this seems good and I want to test it sometime with someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 It came to mind, but I wasn't sold on it. I might be wrong though, considering Gogogo stuff exists. Synchro Zombies seem mediocre without Brionac however. You all should test this format though. Me + friends tested stuff like Rank 3 chaos, Crusher Control, Evols, Fire Fist, etc and it's all fun to play. Having a slower format is very relieving to me at least, and there's so many neat cards you can play right now. Shard of Greed and Cardcar D are amazing here, and then we end up teching stuff that can counter Shard of Greed. There's also a bunch of engines to use, like Spy, Sabre Tiger, etc and setting monsters is actually relevant again which is neat. We're talking about Nobleman of Crossout in this format and it seems very viable. [spoiler="Evol"]17 3 Evoltile Westlo 2 Evoltile Najasho 1 Evoltile Lagosuchos 3 Evolsaur Diplo 2 Evolsaur Vulcano 2 Evolsaur Cerato 1 Evolsaur Darwino 2 Caius the Shadow Monarch 1 Cardcar D 15 3 Evo-Diversity 1 Evo-Force 3 Pot of Duality 3 Book of Moon 2 Shard of Greed 1 Dark Hole 1 Heavy Storm 1 Forbidden Lance 8 2 Bottomless Trap Hole 2 Dimensional Prison 1 Torrential Tribute 1 Mirror Force 1 Solemn Warning 1 Solemn Judgment[/spoiler] edit: banning Nimble Angler because it has too much OTK potential. I want to see how degenerate Frog Monarchs can be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Frognarchs seem good here yeah. I was also looking at Photon/Galaxy and Fire Fist since they seem relatively unaffected by this list and could prolly be big power decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Spirit probably makes fire fist a good deck still, yeah. Iunno what I'd do with Photons though. All they do is pump out extremely high damage but I don't know what the problem is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 [spoiler=Frognarchs][/spoiler] I made this right as the first list came out. Treeborn is broken in a slower format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 If you want to hit Galaxy/Photon, hit either Galaxy Wizard, or Photon Sanctuary. Since it's not so much there's anything inherently wrong with the deck, it's just it works beautifully with itself. Though a bad hit on the second destroys the Galaxy-Orientated version of the deck. And the stun orientation can't work with Skill Drain at 1. And in this format, which is aming to be slower, as much as it pains me to say it, they could probably do with a hit, since they love a slower format. Even though they aren't out yet in TCG land, have you considered a War God hit? Since from my testing, they already have the potential to slow down Meta decks and win against them fairly consistently, and that's the current OCG meta. Limiting Yamato would strike me as a smart option, because each and every turn he thins the deck and sets up the protection. It also means the mini-honest is less searchable. Just out of curiosity, why did you hit Emeral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Daigusto EmeralLavalval ChainNight BeamVylon Element// Limit //Cardcar DConstellar SombresMadolche MagileineRonintoadinSanganKing Feral ImpEvo-Force // Semilimit //Shard of Greed // Unlimit //Formula Synchron Seriously? >_>What decks did you think would be played when you made this banlist anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Seriously? >_>What decks did you think would be played when you made this banlist anyway?Slower decks that are better for the game. You know, actually good decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Seriously? >_> What decks did you think would be played when you made this banlist anyway? ... Mind telling us what you think is wrong with those choices, instead of blind bitching? Night Beam encourages bad playing, and that's why it's banned. That, and it interferes with 1 MST 1 Heavy. Emeral and Chain were heralded as stupid and broken from when they were made, and a mini-avarice and omni-foolish are nothing to scoff at, not to mention their other effects. Vylon Element has nothing but OTK loops, you twit. He explained Cardcar is to slow the game down a bit. If you think Sombres doesn't need a hit, you're a damn moron. It's a Wolfberk on crack. Magileine's a searcher, and thus, an enabler. Not to mention even 1 copy is infinitely reusable. Ronin is awful card design that says "empty your Graveyard, make plays for days". At 1, it just supports frogs as an alternate treeborn that CAN Xyz. Why is Sangan banworthy if Tour Bitch is dead, which is much more to blame than Sangan? Why is a free, generic, Rank 4 searcher for a Pseudo-Debris, an extra summon for a quick Xyz, etc. Not limit worthy, especially when more is bound to come from it? Evo-Force basically turns your Westlo/Najasho into an Evolzar. It speeds up the deck by enabling it to no end. See Cardcar for Shard of Greed. I'm sorry, what's the problem with 3 Formula, when Librarian was the major problem with Formula from the start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 ... Mind telling us what you think is wrong with those choices, instead of blind bitching? Night Beam encourages bad playing, and that's why it's banned. That, and it interferes with 1 MST 1 Heavy. Emeral and Chain were heralded as stupid and broken from when they were made, and a mini-avarice and omni-foolish are nothing to scoff at, not to mention their other effects. Vylon Element has nothing but OTK loops, you twit. He explained Cardcar is to slow the game down a bit. If you think Sombres doesn't need a hit, you're a damn moron. It's a Wolfberk on crack. Magileine's a searcher, and thus, an enabler. Not to mention even 1 copy is infinitely reusable. Ronin is awful card design that says "empty your Graveyard, make plays for days". At 1, it just supports frogs as an alternate treeborn that CAN Xyz. Why is Sangan banworthy if Tour Bitch is dead, which is much more to blame than Sangan? Why is a free, generic, Rank 4 searcher for a Pseudo-Debris, an extra summon for a quick Xyz, etc. Not limit worthy, especially when more is bound to come from it? Evo-Force basically turns your Westlo/Najasho into an Evolzar. It speeds up the deck by enabling it to no end. See Cardcar for Shard of Greed. I'm sorry, what's the problem with 3 Formula, when Librarian was the major problem with Formula from the start? kwell in any case, if it is a banlist theory, it's certainly not a feasible one. And most of those cards are still horribly slow. Sure Dust Tornado is a trap but you can put it at 3 if Shard of Greed is really going to be that much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 well in any case, if it is a banlist theory, it's certainly not a feasible one. And most of those cards are still horribly slow. Sure Dust Tornado is a trap but you can put it at 3 if Shard of Greed is really going to be that much of a problem. ... You know what an ideal banlist is, right? =| Also, the only "slow" cards you mentioned were Shard of Greed and arguably Evo Force, which is only "slow" if used with Westlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Warning? Boo, you whore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Warning? Boo, you whore inb4yougetwarnedforthispost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 [quote name="Judαs" post="6183016" timestamp="1366216060"] Seriously? >_>What decks did you think would be played when you made this banlist anyway?[/quote] Decks that utilize engines and good cards, while straying away from forced archtypes, thus promoting deck creativity..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Just throwing this out there, I didn't read through the entire banlist (though I did read all the posts in this thread)- I may be wrong, but It seems like you keep hitting and hitting decks that might become meta, and it feels kinda useless because everytime you prevent better decks to be 'meta', other decks will become 'best' \ 'meta'. Not that this is a bad banlist, I quite like the idea, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Just throwing this out there, I didn't read through the entire banlist (though I did read all the posts in this thread)- I may be wrong, but It seems like you keep hitting and hitting decks that might become meta, and it feels kinda useless because everytime you prevent better decks to be 'meta', other decks will become 'best' \ 'meta'. Not that this is a bad banlist, I quite like the idea, but still...A fine point, my young friend, but you've missed one important fact! He's not doing any of that of which you said.The point of this banlist is to reduce the amount of degenerate solitaire decks (ex: Final Countdown, Exodia, etc), strict control cards (ex: Evolzars, Kristya, Herald), and cards that only existed to OTK you (ex: Judgment Dragon, Archfiend, Faultroll, Sephylon, etc) to flatten out the metagame. This is an attempt to make the best decks the ones that can spend games trying to outplay other decks and grind out advantage. In order to create a game like this, several cards that generate easy advantage were hit (ex: Stratos, Cardcar, Diva, Marksman) so it's harder to gain card advantage over your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Just throwing this out there, I didn't read through the entire banlist (though I did read all the posts in this thread)- I may be wrong, but It seems like you keep hitting and hitting decks that might become meta, and it feels kinda useless because everytime you prevent better decks to be 'meta', other decks will become 'best' \ 'meta'. Not that this is a bad banlist, I quite like the idea, but still...It's more like I'm going back through 10 years of konami and trying to fix most of the mistakes they made until I bring the game to a level that's acceptable and enjoyable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Speaking of Konami's mistakes, I remembered that Machine Duplication is a card. You should prooobably ban that, unless there's some big reason not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 A fine point, my young friend, but you've missed one important fact! He's not doing any of that of which you said. Yeah I see now, I guess I miss understood the whole situation here :S It's more like I'm going back through 10 years of konami and trying to fix most of the mistakes they made until I bring the game to a level that's acceptable and enjoyable I can see that from the amounts of limits this banlist have XD Anyway, this sounds like a really interesting idea, I wouldnt mind testing it if I had the time. gl I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Speaking of Konami's mistakes, I remembered that Machine Duplication is a card. You should prooobably ban that, unless there's some big reason not to.That's a good pointOther things that came to mind were W Nebula Meteorite and Gishkis as a wholealsohttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/War_God_Vessel_-_Habakiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I still personally feel Aquamirror itself should die, but I understand that the last remaining FTK-y ness of the deck is inconsistent or Zielgigas. That said, they have a wholly negative influence on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Am I right in thinking that Chaos Emperor Dragon is unlimited? Overall, I think the list bodes well for increased player interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Am I right in thinking that Chaos Emperor Dragon is unlimited?Never. You're never right.There is so much wrong with this thinking that you can never be right again even if you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Never. You're never right. There is so much wrong with this thinking that you can never be right again even if you are. I think I'm right... which makes me wrong. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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