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[spoiler=''Bring her back!"]An oldie and a goodie. She should be Limited. Her and her buddy Sangan really have no business being banned. They just provide consistency and toolboxing at the cost of speed to decks which really need it and have no other means to do it. With the game now forever being ruled by archetypes which have cards that provide consistency and power beyond Witch's wildest dreams, her place in the game will take the backseat. So not only would Witch not have hardly any impact, that impact would be a positive one by increasing diversity in the card pool.

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you imply the impact of being able search DaD amongst others is a "positive one by increasing diversity in the card pool." when in reality it's complete bullshit.

 

> You imply there isn't already a card at 3 that can search DAD faster and more reliably than Witch...

 

> You imply a deck that uses Witch to search DAD is going to be viable or problematic...

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> You imply there isn't already a card at 3 that can search DAD faster and more reliably than Witch...

 

> You imply a deck that uses Witch to search DAD is going to be viable or problematic...

 

When did I ever mention Eclipse Wyvern? And last I checked, Dark Armed Dragon is a pretty good card. You also imply this card can't search other problematic boss monsters, Dark Armed was the first one I thought of. Just because it wouldn't have an effect on our immediate meta, ignoring the fact that it's range of targets are basicially Sangan's on drugs, and the only major thing Sangan had over her was being a Level 3 Fiend for TGU fetch, I suggest you run a search for the full extent of this card's targets and think of all the implications on the game with it's existance before nonchalantly saying it can come back to 1 with no real foundating evidence that the card wouldn't create more bullshit. If you can provide evidence and a valid point that this wouldn't create unhealthy interactions, then fine. Considering you haven't...

 

 Yeah.

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Really ? what is it ?

 

Ninja'd.

 

When did I ever mention Eclipse Wyvern?

 

You didn't, and it can search DAD, amongst other things that Witch can't, and can do it without burning the normal summon, hence much faster.

 

And last I checked, Dark Armed Dragon is a pretty good card.

 

When was that, 2008? Better check again, he's just mediocre now.

 

You also imply this card can't search other problematic boss monsters, Dark Armed was the first one I thought of.

 

Like what? And searching a boss isn't the thing here, it's the fact that it's slow and has little synergy with anything else. And the ultimate thing is, any Boss monster would be the problem anyway, not Witch, even though her interaction with them isn't problematic in the slightest. Most, if not all, decent Boss monsters have more than 1500 DEF anyway.

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DAD? A mediocre card?

 

WAT

 

The only relevant deck that occasionally plays DAD is Verz, and it's not even that great there. Conflicts with Ophion, is dead early game and late game, and the targets in the grave are better used for Cercion. The deck probably wouldn't bother with Witch either.

 

No other tier 1 decks play it, and not even any tier 2 decks play it. Safe to say, it's not that good anymore. Yes, it's good when it hits the field, but that's the thing: when it does, which isn't often.

 

The first lulzy thing is saying that Witch would magically make DAD much better. It wouldn't. The second lulzy thing is blaming a slow searcher instead of the allegedly broken card itself.

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Why do you guys even try to argue? Its obvious that super has a problem with growing banlist in a game which has a growing card pool.

 

His only point ever is that, "it won't do anything in today's meta".

 

I have a problem with cards being banned that shouldn't be. And no, that's definitely not my only point. I'm a firm believer that Witch should never have been banned, and should be legal in any meta. It's slow, and is only as 'broken' as her targets (which currently, isn't even broken at all). Almost every archetype (which the game is dominated by and always will be from now on) has a searcher of their own which is much more efficient and synergistic within it's own deck and is thus infinitely better than what Witch would ever be. So tell me why they should live and Witch should not? Witch allows generic player-made decks to able to search for options, which is certainly a good thing. Without it and sangan, there are literally no generic monster-searching monsters.

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The only relevant deck that occasionally plays DAD is Verz, and it's not even that great there. Conflicts with Ophion, is dead early game and late game, and the targets in the grave are better used for Cercion. The deck probably wouldn't bother with Witch either.

 

No other tier 1 decks play it, and not even any tier 2 decks play it. Safe to say, it's not that good anymore. Yes, it's good when it hits the field, but that's the thing: when it does, which isn't often.

 

The first lulzy thing is saying that Witch would magically make DAD much better. It wouldn't. The second lulzy thing is blaming a slow searcher instead of the allegedly broken card itself.

 

Slow searcher? Are you insane? You can get it off on your turn if you try, you can search a whole load of good stuff such as DaD, Monarchs, various searchers/floaters for almost no cost.

Your relevant decks bulls*** doesn't make sense, just because it's not played in relevant Decks nowadays doesn't mean that it might make certain other decks relevant and doesn't mean it's not bad card design from the beginning. Not doing anything in the meta isn't an argument, the card is broken, it's a broken concept and can never come back. Stop being so f***ing ridiculous.

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I have a problem with cards being banned that shouldn't be. And no, that's definitely not my only point.

Its not even a valid point. The logic behind "there is something worse so this should be fine" is dumb in almost every application.

I'm a firm believer that Witch should never have been banned, and should be legal in any meta.

Um....good for you?

It's slow, and is only as 'broken' as her targets (which currently, isn't even broken at all).

This. This right here is comparing it to the current meta. Why would you use the point I said you always use in an attempt to show us you have other points? Its slow compared to the current joy of a format we have, you're right. So what? I've also never understood the point of "searchers are only as good as what they grab", because that isn't true. They are better than what they grab because they add speed and consistency.

Almost every archetype (which the game is dominated by and always will be from now on) has a searcher of their own which is much more efficient and synergistic within it's own deck and is thus infinitely better than what Witch would ever be.

Comparing it to other cards....again......

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't those decks (no, not the current meta) just run Witch to further add consistency? This isn't an 'either or' situation.

So tell me why they should live and Witch should not? Witch allows generic player-made decks to able to search for options, which is certainly a good thing. Without it and sangan, there are literally no generic monster-searching monsters.

What is to stop archetype decks from running their searchers and Witch? Why should we want a card that could theoretically be splashed into almost every deck? A card that may or may not be broke with the introduction of an amazing archetype that lacks a search for their boss? A card that can search upwards of 2500 cards? *NOTE How is having a card that versatile even logical? This is way past the point of "only as broken as her targets". EVERYTHING is her target.


*NOTE: All using DN and omitting the fact that some monsters cannot be searched. All numbers are approximate made from number of result pages on DN search.

# total monsters within Witch range: 2740
# Fusion within range: 60
# Synchro within range: 80
# Xyz within range: 60

# of monsters searchable by Witch: 2740-60-60-80=2540

# total monsters: 3960
# Fusion: 180
# Synchro: 160
# Xyz: 180

# of monsters in deck: 3960-160-180-180=3440

Percentage of monsters searchable by Witch: 74%

Off-topic: Watch my math be wrong to make me feel stupid. ;~;
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I told you guys it would be a good idea to ban someone for being completely psychotic.

 

OT: Witch was banned for a reason, is banned for a reason, and will be banned for a reason. "deck diversity" isn't a valid argument when all the "deck diversity" it's going to create is making sure that one slot in virtually EVERY deck becomes Witch of the Black Forest.

 

That's not diversity. That's the finest retardation.

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"deck diversity" isn't a valid argument when all the "deck diversity" it's going to create is making sure that one slot in virtually EVERY deck becomes Witch of the Black Forest.

 

That's not diversity. That's the finest retardation.

 

You genuinely believe that? LOL. You think virtually every deck would play Witch of the Black Forest?

 

E-Dragons: No

Prophecy: No

Verz: No

Fire Fist: No

Merlantean: No

Constellar: No

Madolche: No

Hunder: No

Wind-Ups: No

Hieratics: No

Gadgets: No

Geargia: No

Karakuri: No

Six Sam: No

HERO: No

Lightsworn: No

Infernity: No

Glads: No

Chain Burn: No

Countdown: No

 

Dino Rabbit: Yes

Inzektors: Yes (can't even search Fly though lol)

Synchrocentric: Yes

War Gods: Maybe

Exodia: Maybe (depends on the build)

 

Feel free to add to the list folks.

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