Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 It's based off luck, but it can be used as many times as you wish, and there's no penalty for rolling the wrong number, except not gaining the effect, it's easy to Summon, and 1500 ATK means that it can be searched. Mainly making this topic because of the art thought :P [quote]You can discard 1 card to target 1 card on the field; roll a six-sided die, and destroy the target unless you roll a 1 or 6.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 there's no penalty for rolling the wrong number, except not gaining the effect. So losing a card in your hand for nothing isn't a penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 So losing a card in your hand for nothing isn't a penalty? I'm talking about something like destroying your own card if you roll wrong like many luck based cards do. And you would probably want to discard strategically and not just willy nilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 So losing a card in your hand for nothing isn't a penalty? That's a cost to activate the effect, as opposed to a penalty for rolling 1 or a 6. So no, it technically isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 That's a cost to activate the effect, as opposed to a penalty for rolling 1 or a 6. So no, it technically isn't. What Plainview said. It's cost is of course also somewhat of a penalty, but not what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 The cost becomes a penalty if the result is a 1 or a 6. The ability to roll 1 or 6 is an inherent penalty built into the effect. It's saying "you might get a 1-for-1, or you might go -1". One outcome is just a simple 1-for-1, the other outcome penalizes you for trying to achieve that. Giving it a further penalty if it did land on 1 or 6 would make it even more awful than it already is. and 1500 ATK means that it can be searched. With what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 The cost becomes a penalty if the result is a 1 or a 6. The ability to roll 1 or 6 is an inherent penalty built into the effect. It's saying "you might get a 1-for-1, or you might go -1". One outcome is just a simple 1-for-1, the other outcome penalizes you for trying to achieve that. Giving it a further penalty if it did land on 1 or 6 would make it even more awful than it already is. With what?Mystic Tomato yo. Oh and Infernity could maybe use this card, I don't play them, but they don't like being in the hand iirc, so this can help them with that as you get as many tries as there're cards on the field. I mean, what this does is make sure you get a discard and it got infinite uses, and if you're lucky also a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 The cost becomes a penalty if the result is a 1 or a 6. The ability to roll 1 or 6 is an inherent penalty built into the effect. It's saying "you might get a 1-for-1, or you might go -1". One outcome is just a simple 1-for-1, the other outcome penalizes you for trying to achieve that. Giving it a further penalty if it did land on 1 or 6 would make it even more awful than it already is. I agree, in the sense that you can argue that the dice-rolling mechanism is a penalty within itself; but the discard cost is a balancing measure, not an outright penalty. Depending on what you discard, it can act as an advantage. With your argument, anything is a penalty if the outcome doesn't go the way you intended it too, regardless of the circumstances involved. I fail to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Remember how this was limited Good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 So losing a card in your hand for nothing isn't a penalty?This is what I have to say on the matter. When has -1ing yourself NOT been a penalty?Card's bad, gimmicky +0 card that many other cards do better. Don't mention stuff like Infernities because they don't play it, they have good cards like Dark Grepher to filter their hand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I've been seeing a lot of Elemental Dragon decks running this thing lately. The only reason I can think for it is that it lets them get rid of Ophion, and stuff like Iron Wall all in one card. Wasn't there something involving Black and this card ages ago against Chris was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Who cares, they're personas on a forum for dudes who eat and sleep in real life. It's generic and flexible and usable as soon as you draw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Who cares, they're personas on a forum for dudes who eat and sleep in real life. It's generic and flexible and usable as soon as you draw it.Not if you draw it without having any cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Remember how this was limitedGood timesOjamachine gun.... Heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Thought of another use for it. Archfiends, they like being in the Grave, and like being destroyed. This card's a Fiend as well. Again, luck is not good. I know this, but just saying that it's still a 60 % chance (if my math is correct, I was never good at math) and that you can abuse this in some Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I've been seeing a lot of Elemental Dragon decks running this thing lately. The only reason I can think for it is that it lets them get rid of Ophion, and stuff like Iron Wall all in one card. Wasn't there something involving Black and this card ages ago against Chris was it?*sigh* no, it wasn't me.It was Meta/Miror. B/Kevin and Chris.He filled his board while exhausting a Zenmaines then OTKd. OR something like that. Can't find the topic. Thought of another use for it. Archfiends, they like being in the Grave, and like being destroyed. This card's a Fiend as well. Again, luck is not good. I know this, but just saying that it's still a 60 % chance (if my math is correct, I was never good at math) and that you can abuse this in some Decks.Just stop. 66% is not enough of a reason to use it, especially not for a -1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Mystic Tomato yo. Oh and Infernity could maybe use this card, I don't play them, but they don't like being in the hand iirc, so this can help them with that as you get as many tries as there're cards on the field. I mean, what this does is make sure you get a discard and it got infinite uses, and if you're lucky also a pop. Give me one good reason not to wipe you off the face of the earth right now. Bad -1 to 66% pop a card when cards like Soul Taker and Smashing Ground exist, MST and Night Beam exist. I miss the times when this and the D-HERO engine was in it, also back when I thought this card was the most busted shit ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Give me one good reason not to wipe you off the face of the earth right now. Bad -1 to 66% pop a card when cards like Soul Taker and Smashing Ground exist, MST and Night Beam exist. I miss the times when this and the D-HERO engine was in it, also back when I thought this card was the most busted shit ever. I have given plenty reasons and so has others, you just seem to not have read them, also, take some chill pills, you're getting upset for no reason at all. Anyway, I state it again, it's luck based, which makes it bad to anything serious, BUT it is again a monster, reusable as many times as you have cards in your hand, can get plenty of things in the grave, and its searchable. I wouldn't run this myself, though it's not the worst luck based card out there, so re-freaking-lax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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