~British Soul~ Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/products/tin-2013w1.html Once per turn, when this card inflicts battle damage to your opponent: You can Set 1 "Fire Formation" Spell Card directly from your Deck. Once per turn: You can send 1 face-up "Fire Formation" Spell/Trap Card you control to the Graveyard to target 1 monster on the field; destroy that target. So yeah he'll be reprinted in both of the tins, and I think the reprint is welcome given that he isn't exclusively used in Fire Fists, and honestly I only expected it to be in one of the tins, discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Good thing I just traded a stack of bad commons for one of these. e_e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never understood this guy's functionality. Isn't Spirit + The other Level 3 basically the entire Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never understood this guy's functionality. Isn't Spirit + The other Level 3 basically the entire Deck? You're blowing up monsters for free so that you can attack directly to get more free cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'm a bit annoyed that it's getting a reprint since I picked ultras up at 20 value a few weeks ago...but what ever..I'm still happy with them. OT: Card is good...not sure if balanced or not...but it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 In 4-Axis, he's the star of the show. In 8-Axis, he's a power player. In 3-Axis, he's background support. Funny how his prevalence goes down as the brokenness of his deck goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never understood this guy's functionality. Isn't Spirit + The other Level 3 basically the entire Deck? It searches search cards and it gets rid of monsters...what't not to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 [quote name="El Majishan" post="6250118" timestamp="1375398679"]It searches search cards and it gets rid of monsters...what't not to get?[/quote] That's mostly Tenki's fault, and Tenki is busted as fuck. If Tenki went to 1, Bear would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexcalibrate Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 oh it's being reprinted *cancels order on Amazon* it's fairly obvious why this card is powerful, 'boom' 'roar' 'set' 'repeat'... what else needs to be said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 That's mostly Tenki's fault, and Tenki is busted as fuck. If Tenki went to 1, Bear would be fine. Tenki just is a watered down version of ROTA, so I won't really say it's busted. It just adds consistency to some decks and a "boost" at the cost of losing to chainable S/T removal. Bear is a problem on his own...the ability to use a used up spell as ammo, then search more ammo is kinda stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexcalibrate Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Tenki just is a watered down version of ROTA, so I won't really say it's busted. It just adds consistency to some decks and a "boost" at the cost of losing to chainable S/T removal. Bear is a problem on his own...the ability to use a used up spell as ammo, then search more ammo is kinda stupid. yeah but decks like fire fist will still function without bear at about 90% but if they lost tenki they'd be working at about 65% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Shall I be the one to say it: Neither Tenki nor Bear are problems by themselves, but together they are seemingly problematic. The issue is addressing that is hard because either way you are hitting something that doesn't technically deserve it. I mean, Fire Fists pre Wolfberk are probably the most balanced deck Konami have made for a long time that's been competitive. Nothing in it was really an issue, it was just all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 yeah but decks like fire fist will still function without bear at about 90% but if they lost tenki they'd be working at about 65% Obviously, because they become less consistent...that will happen to any deck that loses access to multiple search cards. If Bear was only able to destroy a monster at the cost of a Fire Formation card, it would have just been a well designed card...but the search feature they added just pushed it over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Watered down?! The fuck?! Tenki is BANANAS! It's a Rota that is searchable AND reusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Shall I be the one to say it: Neither Tenki nor Bear are problems by themselves, but together they are seemingly problematic. The issue is addressing that is hard because either way you are hitting something that doesn't technically deserve it. I mean, Fire Fists pre Wolfberk are probably the most balanced deck Konami have made for a long time that's been competitive. Nothing in it was really an issue, it was just all good. This I can agree with, but if we are to hit one of them...I say Bear since Tenki offers support to other decks as well. No need to make them all suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 That's mostly Tenki's fault, and Tenki is busted as fuck. If Tenki went to 1, Bear would be fine. It's more of a fault of the combination. Like Duality + Cardcar was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Watered down?! The fuck?! Tenki is BANANAS! It's a Rota that is searchable AND reusable. Why is it searchable? Bear, Why is it reusable? Cardinal...so yeah...Thanks for proving my point that Bear is the problem in this equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Watered down?! The fuck?! Tenki is BANANAS! It's a Rota that is searchable AND reusable. It's Once per turn. And for once in the history of the site I can actually say this: It's negatable by MST. Which is a thing against it compared to ROTA. ROTA has a better range of targets, but Tenki is easier to access. So they are about even in all honesty.Why is it searchable? Bear, Why is it reusable? Cardinal...so yeah...Thanks for proving my point that Bear is the problem in this equation. It's searchable by a damn site more than Bear... Are you going to blame all the searchers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 [quote name="El Majishan" post="6250146" timestamp="1375402060"]Why is it searchable? Bear, Why is it reusable? Cardinal...so yeah...Thanks for proving my point that Bear is the problem in this equation.[/quote] Tenki without Bear is still insanely good. Bear without Tenki is tame. Trust me. Barty, Tenki has some damn good targets. There's no denying that. And MST is hardly a proper argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 It's searchable by a damn site more than Bear... Are you going to blame all the searchers? No idea what you meant by that. Anyway, searchers have always been a touchy subject in YGO. When a deck is TOO consistent due to having more cards that just add what ever you need to you hand/field than other decks..it has a distinct advantage having to rely less on luck. The thing that puts Bear a cut above other search cards is that it has built in destruction. Granted it has to do damage to get it's search, if would have already done it's job if it got rid of a monster for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Tenki without Bear is still insanely good. Bear without Tenki is tame. Trust me. Barty, Tenki has some damn good targets. There's no denying that. And MST is hardly a proper argument. It's an argument when you are comparing the relative strengths of the two. Yes, Tenki has some very good targets. So does ROTA. And Sora just a question: Why should every deck that uses Tenki suffer for the interaction with Bear, when neither Bear or Tenki in and of themselves are broken? I know it might seem odd, but the Bear Engine doesn't so much need a hit. It's good, but it's more of a result of what it adds to the deck than what it does in and of itself. There are normally other things in the decks to hit over the engine.No idea what you meant by that. Tiger King and Kirin both search it. As does at least one of the other original Fire Fists I believe. So blaming Bear for searching Tenki when it's not the only thing that searches the card isn't exactly brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Tenki without Bear is still insanely good. Bear without Tenki is tame. Trust me. Barty, Tenki has some damn good targets. There's no denying that. And MST is hardly a proper argument. I never said Tenki was not good...I just said it's a watered down ROTA...which is true due to reasons listed by Barty. The reason Bear appears tame without Tenki is because it loses it's best target, but it's still a walking plus engine if your opponent can't get rid of it. I've won games with 3-Axis with over even seeing a Tenki, just relying on Bear, Leopord, and Spirit shenanigans because Bear was able to seach out the exact spell I needed and get rid of problem monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Tiger King and Kirin both search it. As does at least one of the other original Fire Fists I believe. So blaming Bear for searching Tenki when it's not the only thing that searches the card isn't exactly brilliant. The difference is that those cards cannot just fire off the Tenki and kill something after it has been used. And that is the argument I am making, bear is a walking + engine if not dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 The difference is that those cards cannot just fire off the Tenki and kill something after it has been used. And that is the argument I am making, bear is a walking + engine if not dealt with. Gorrila can do that to backrow though... Just saying. Bear's not unique in that respect. And that's still not a problem? Plus's aren't bad for the game, neither is having a steady source of them. I mean Bear in part requires player interaction to properly work and give the level of +'s it does. Steady plus's don't break a card or a deck. It kills off cards at a +0, not at a +1, and gives it's player another + for player interaction. Nothing about the effect is broken, it's just a great card. It might seem like I'm being the Devil's Advocate here, but no single card in the Tenki engine is to play. The interaction between the two just happens to be bloody brilliant. And I'm of the opinion that the engine shouldn't touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Slowly but surely, non-ghetto Fire Kings are becoming a budget deck.Sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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