~British Soul~ Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Warrior/Xyz/Effect 2 Level 5 WATER monsters Once per turn, during either player’s turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; double this card’s ATK until the opponent’s End Phase, but any battle damage this card inflicts to your opponent this turn is halved. 2400/1400 Looking at its IRL version, this guy has fallen into the "bad Number" category. As expected its effect becomes OPT, though I kinda didn't expect it to have the battle damage is halved clause as well. Though I reckon the biggest kick in the teeth in addition to the expected nerf is the material requirements. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Even though I can understand the concept of the effect but yeah, kinda killed it with the Summoning Condition. It would be better without WATER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 How can we have this as non generic when we have Volcasaurus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 looking at the lv5 water monsters, seems easiest cards that can get this out without any level changing effects, would either be the situational -2 Panther shark + Eagle shark duo, a pair of Dragon Ice, Dragon Ice + one of the above sharks/cyber shark, instant fusion into Amphibious Bugroth + one of the above, or Tribute Summon Des frog with a tadpole in the graveyard to get another des frog from the deck. yeah... way to situational to actually even summon, and its not even that good compared to other possible rank 5s you can go into that are generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Tbh, it did not need the attack halving, because look at Excalidur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Tbh, it did not need the attack halving, because look at Excalidur. Its cause Excaliber detaches 2 Materials and only doubles original ATK, I know its a silly reason but I think that's the logic behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Lemuria can do this rather easily, but it is ironic this WATER Number isn't splashable. OPT did need to happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Non generic materials is the biggest blow here, pretty much killing it's playability. Halving damage is fair enough given the attack boost stays till your opponents next turn. But since it's another case of the curse of the Rank 5's. Because we have Volca amongst other things, getting something balanced that's still worth running next to it is very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Eh, Lemuria Frogs would be how I made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Worst part is if this got nerfed to needing two Level 5 WATER monsters, so will Crystal Zero......... Such potential wasted. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Worst part is if this got nerfed to needing two Level 5 WATER monsters, so will Crystal Zero......... Such potential wasted. Again. I was thinking that as well when I saw this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I was thinking that as well when I saw this. I mean Abyss Splash didn't even have 2 WATER monsters used to summon the first time it appeared. This was a really poor choice on their part. The only thing the Legendary Numbers seem Legendary for is getting nerfed to crap. Number 64 being the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Even with the damage halving, this actually would have been pretty cool if it were generic.Also, you could totally use it's effect on your turn to make it 4800, then 7600 on the Opponent's turn, and then Mystic Wok it for gits and shiggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I mean Abyss Splash didn't even have 2 WATER monsters used to summon the first time it appeared. This was a really poor choice on their part. The only thing the Legendary Numbers seem Legendary for is getting nerfed to crap. Number 64 being the exception. I bet Konami weren't even looking at its first appearance when discussing the IRL version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I'm not really that bothered. It doubles current ATK, unlike Excalibur, and halving the damage just keeps it from doing an outrageous amount of damage. Think of why Limiter Removal is ridiculous. 2 Level 5 WATER is a bit disappointing, but oh well. I didn't expect Number 73 to be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 2 Level 5 WATER is a bit disappointing, but oh well. I didn't expect Number 73 to be amazing.Now if only WATER had a Cyber Dragon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Cyber Shark, Armz. Instant Fusion into Bugroth then drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 And don't forget, Black Ray Lancer didn't use 2 WATER Materials the first time it was Summoned, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. guy Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 ss cyber dragon Do frog stuff Lemuria 3 frogs Make Machu Mech and this Win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Cyber Shark, Armz. Instant Fusion into Bugroth then drop it.Cyber Shark isn't a Cyber Dragon, though O,oBy that, I meant something with that obligatory "If you control no monsters and the opponent controls stuff, you can Special summon this card from your hand"-effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Wind-Up Shark and Instant Fusion. Probably not worth it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Dissapointing. I can live with the other stuff, but the materials killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I already run 3 Wind-Up Shark in my Fish deck, so I could just add this to my extra if I had space. Drop Ronintoadin and a Frog with Tidal or Swap Frog. Special Summon Ronintoadin and use Inferno Reckless Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 The problem with cards like this is that whatever effort you use to bring out 2 Level 5 WATER monsters can go into ANY Rank 5, not just this one. And this one isn't really worth going into in the first place. The fact it's not generic and not that special means there's no reason to go into it as opposed to virtually any other Rank 5. And Rank 5 has some of the best options in the game. When you compare the effort of Summoning this, to the effort of Summoning Constellar Pleiades (needs LIGHT), you can see that Pleiades is actually WORTH the requirement of 2 Level 5 LIGHT monsters, whereas this is NOT worth the requirement of Level 5 WATER monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 ITT: pitching ideas for the stated goal of summoning this isn't worth it because better monsters can be made for the same cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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