Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 DARK/Machine/Xyz/Rank 9/3500 ATK/??? DEF4 Level 9 monstersCannot be destroyed by battle except with "Number" monsters. If this card is Xyz Summoned by Ranking Up "Number 88: Gimmick Puppet of Leo", it gains this effect.● This card is unaffected by other monster effects. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. During your End Phase, if this card has no Xyz Materials, you win the Duel.Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Dang, beat me to it All I have to say is: IF this gets released, it'll be nerfed hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 It would be nice if Disaster Leo inherits Destiny Leo's Destiny Counters if it retains an adaptation of the auto-win effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 It would be nice if Disaster Leo inherits Destiny Leo's Destiny Counters if it retains an adaptation of the auto-win effect. They might just cut the lol4000Damage part out entirely or change it to halving Life Points instead or something not so deadly. The win condition, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Wow... that's a lotta win conditions in one card. Anime wise at least. This was also a twist I wasn't expecting. You gotta think though: IV's extra deck options n the anime are insanely good. And that it's honestly shocking he presumabely didn't win with all that. Even by the standards of plot armour. It will lose the 4k burn if released, and probably just get a Destiny Leo effect, only keeping the immune to monster effects and higher base stats. Which would mean if RUM were searchable, it'd be an actual achievable Alt Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Extra Deck victory condition? Oh boy... Pretty solid effect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 This was also a twist I wasn't expecting. In the preview for this episode, we saw him Ranking Up something else with his RUM, and 88 was his only Xyz left. C88 was pretty likely, and given that this is probably IV's last duel in the series, it was bound to show up in this duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 In the preview for this episode, we saw him Ranking Up something else with his RUM, and 88 was his only Xyz left. C88 was pretty likely, and given that this is probably IV's last duel in the series, it was bound to show up in this duel. My internet connection doesn't let me load episodes because it's to slow, so this all came as a shock. I just didn't expect 88 to reappear at any point. Given how it tied for most broken anime number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 I just didn't expect 88 to reappear at any point. Given how it tied for most broken anime number. Tied with 69 you mean? *Looks at C69* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Tied with 69 you mean? *Looks at C69* Yes Tied with 69. But C69 makes more sense than C88. Even ignoring Dark Mist: If the Tron Family were going to reappear, then it was likely that Tron would: Ranking up into C8 would make sense, it gets slapped then he makes this and goes up. IV already had that between C15 and C40, C88 seems superflous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 You can detach to deal 4000 damage.If it has no Materials in the End Phase; Auto-win.Has immunity to things like Veiler-OhBoyHereWeGoAgain.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 You know I find it hilarious that this duel has progressed as if IV was the bad guy- putting Nasch in a win-this-turn situation, which normally happens to the hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 You can detach to deal 4000 damage. If it has no Materials in the End Phase; Auto-win. Has immunity to things like Veiler- OhBoyHereWeGoAgain.jpg Considering the work you have to do to summon this thing, I'd say that's deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Yeah, I predicted 88's return when I saw the preview. I'm glad it happened, though. Ah, it's immune to monster effects. I wondered why Nasch didn't just absorb it, but now I understand. Number 88 was the most ridiculous anime Number, although 69 trumped it on the basis that 69 was deliberately OPed to the extreme by constantly negating ALL opponent monster effects and stealing them, plus being able to nuke a card when attacked, PLUS being unable to be destroyed by card effects. Number 88 just had the most hilarious win condition. Made even better by the subs of its debut, which had IV state "When this card has no Overlay Units, I will win the Duel". Just declaring that type of effect is hilarious. So I wasn't sure what to expect from the Ranked-Up version. C69's anime effect wasn't as ridiculous as No,69, but it had better teeth with 4000 ATK and a free Field nuke, plus the Rank-Up effect. The fact the RL version of C69 wasn't nerfed more than makes up for it, though. C88 is hilarious, though. Deal 4000 damage by detaching, and with 0 Overlays, you win the Duel at the End Phase. Ridiculous, ESPECIALLY in the 4000 LP anime standards. Even more ridiculous, actually. No. 88 in the anime required no Overlays to declare an auto-win. C88 pretty much wins by LP damage on the spot, and if you don't win by that, it wins when it runs out of Overlay Units. IV dealt SOOO much damage/potential damage in that Duel. His equip card dealt 600, Serial Killer tried to deal 2100 (didn't work because of 101's effect) then 400 Battle Damage, Devil's Strings dealt 2800, followed by 500 Battle Damage. This dealt 4000, then 700 Battle Damage, then his Quick Play dealt 3500. Hell, IV is the best Burn player in the anime, pretty much. No idea how they'll nerf this. RL 88 did the Destiny Counter thing, which was to be expected, since Counters are easier to disrupt by negating the monster's effect, flipping it facedown, or removing it from the Field. Add in the conditions for effect activation (empty S/T zone, no Battle Phase), and Destiny Leo becomes horrible because of how slow it is. I imagine the Burn will get toned down, because even for a Rank-Up monster, even if it requires Destiny Leo as Material like the other Rank-Up monsters, 4000 burn is absurd. But I imagine they might actually say that it needs Destiny Leo as Material to use the effect. They might remove the win condition part entirely, because using Rank-Up Magic on Destiny Leo will remove all its counters if it had any, and there'd be no point to requiring 3 (or more) counters to win, since Destiny Leo does that already, and this only has 300 more ATK. The best thing I can think of, actually, is that it WILL require 3 Destiny Counters (or whatever), but it'll have the immunity in some form. That way, using Rank-Up on Destiny Leo will be advantageous in the sense of a more difficult-to-disrupt win condition, and if you have to have Leo as a Material, then you won't be able to cheat it out by reviving Leo and Ranking it up, since it won't have the Materials needed to put 3 counters on it. Ugh...win conditions are a pain to balance without making worthless. Making C88 just a plain burn card seems dumb, but giving it too much burn or an abusable win condition is just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Well if Destiny Leo had a gimmicky and complex win condition, how would they properly make the CXyz version more easier? The IRL card would have more of a Tower of Babel effect (it's a grenade though. :I) or toned down anime effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Well if Destiny Leo had a gimmicky and complex win condition, how would they properly make the CXyz version more easier? The IRL card would have more of a Tower of Babel effect (it's a grenade though. :I) or toned down anime effect.CXyz IRL version is the same as normal 88, but can't be Targeted by the Opponent's cards? I dunno'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 If I had to guess a win-condition for this card IRL, it'd be something along the lines of detaching regular 88, having no other materials, and waiting for your opponent's End Phase, while keeping some sort of Counter out as well because win conditions usually don't go cheap on drawbacks. If so, it'd be potentially abusable with Xyz Gift and Xyz Reborn, but I wonder how abusable it'd be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 If I had to guess a win-condition for this card IRL, it'd be something along the lines of detaching regular 88, having no other materials, and waiting for your opponent's End Phase, while keeping some sort of Counter out as well because win conditions usually don't go cheap on drawbacks. If so, it'd be potentially abusable with Xyz Gift and Xyz Reborn, but I wonder how abusable it'd be. I am suddenly reminded of Ultimate Galaxy Universe from Duel Masters. Similar gimmick involving a stack of cards, with a win condition tacked on once you run through the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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