Sleepy Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 The high Level monster being Tribute Summoned can come out of the Main Deck. This is just a random idea I just got out from a few comments at a link in the Arc V thread. It really doesn't sound too far fetched since it's not like Extra Deck monsters aren't already like this. Yes I'm aware this would give Monarchs an actual dangerous edge, would it really break the game as a whole? The exchange is.. You'll feel like crap when you actually draw into them knowing there would be better ways of using them. If left as is, it'd be a really plain mechanic that just boils down to monsters that require 1, 2, or 3 Tributes. Maybe it'd have to share Attributes or something along those lines to make it both more fair, and more interesting. What do you guys think either way? Is this viable? Is it stupid? Is it broken? Does it lack something (and what)? I think it'd be interesting. The toolbox ability is not even that broken considering our game already has a lot of that in a form that doesn't even dead draw. It'd certainly be useful though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Seems too strong. Monarchs, yes. But also the Egyptian Gods, Barbaros, and many more abusable cards. Also it basically makes a mini extra deck in the normal deck that can literally be accessed no matter what monsters you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Photon Sanctuary, into Creator from the Deck.Pretty silly, really, but would lead a lot of crazyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Treeborn Frog into a monarch from your deck every turn. Yeah, totally not broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Seems too strong. Monarchs, yes. But also the Egyptian Gods, Barbaros, and many more abusable cards. Also it basically makes a mini extra deck in the normal deck that can literally be accessed no matter what monsters you have. Well, it's a question on weather you label: Debris > Black Rose > both sides blow up but 2 Fluff Tokens appear. Less abusable than: Get 3 monsters out and use up your Normal Summon for Barbaros to flow up your opponent's side. Really, many of the things that people fear can usually be achieved the Extra Deck already. It'd be more raw power involved for the most part, but also a chance of drawing into those before bringing them out from the deck. Overall I'm not sure if it'd be less consistent because of drawing them at times, or more consistent since you can naturally toolbox them. I'd think it'd be tilting towards more but it'd be different. Photon Sanctuary, into Creator from the Deck. Pretty silly, really, but would lead a lot of crazyness. I'd be more concerned about Photon Sanctuary into Light and Darkness Dragon from the Deck, personally, but yeah it'd get crazy. Also, Tefnuit would be awesome. Treeborn Frog into a monarch from your deck every turn. Yeah, totally not broken. To an overall perspective, it could potentially be stupid broken, though Monarchs from the deck aren't exactly much more threatening than the current Lightning Chidoris some decks can already pull out of nowhere up to more than once per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 The fact that you can Tribute Summon a card as powerful as Light and Darkness Dragon from the Main Deck is actually pretty ridiculous and one of the fundamental flaws with this idea imo.Another thing that I have gripes with about this is that it makes a lot of the new Monarch stuff just flat out redundant by changing game mechanics to make them completely unfair. That shouldn't really be a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Well, it's a question on weather you label: Debris > Black Rose > both sides blow up but 2 Fluff Tokens appear. Less abusable than: Get 3 monsters out and use up your Normal Summon for Barbaros to flow up your opponent's side. Revolving on getting two limited monsters that have to go off properly (not impossible, but still), to get one card with that effect VS 1-3 of ANY MONSTER in an ENTIRE deck to get access to WHATEVER you need at the time from the deck, thinning it at the same time and preventing dead draws. At least that's how I stand. And I know Black Rose was just an example, but still. And levels 5-6 can be ridiculous in their own right and nothing in the E deck just needs one monster on the field that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 The fact that you can Tribute Summon a card as powerful as Light and Darkness Dragon from the Main Deck is actually pretty ridiculous and one of the fundamental flaws with this idea imo. Another thing that I have gripes with about this is that it makes a lot of the new Monarch stuff just flat out redundant by changing game mechanics to make them completely unfair. That shouldn't really be a thing. Not exactly. I didn't mean "from Deck" instead of "from hand". I meant "In addition". So I don't see how it'd be redundant. Granted, that'd just fuel your point about it being ridiculous every more. Revolving on getting two limited monsters that have to go off properly (not impossible, but still), to get one card with that effect VS 1-3 of ANY MONSTER in an ENTIRE deck to get access to WHATEVER you need at the time from the deck, thinning it at the same time and preventing dead draws. At least that's how I stand. And I know Black Rose was just an example, but still. And levels 5-6 can be ridiculous in their own right and nothing in the E deck just needs one monster on the field that I know of. It is a limited combo that's fully searchable, though I know what you are trying to say. Upon hearing the comments, I DO agree that as is, a simple "Tribute Summon from Deck" mechanic would be pretty risky at this point. At least, because of the cardpool. Especially "as is". It'd have to get more requirements to get more varied and restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Just make it with Normal Monsters 'n Junk. =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Whatever problems there are with Tribute Summoning as a concept at this point in time, you don't solve them by making it into a post-PTDN Extra Deck with any monster one commits as material (for all the faults of Synchro and Exceed gateways from... uh... Glow-Up Bulb to them Dragon Rulers, they were at least limited in utility due to the requirements of Synchro and Exceed Summoning -- one cannot use L7 monsters to make a R8 Exceed, and so on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tribute Summons would still suck because it still requires you to get rid of field presence to bring out a stronger, more versatile monster (barring the obvious combo plays like Treeborn -> Monarchs or Photon Sanctuary -> LaDD). It's not exactly the most "useful" mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tribute Summons would still suck because it still requires you to get rid of field presence to bring out a stronger, more versatile monster So would Synchro and Exceed Summoning. It's not exactly the most "useful" mechanic. You only say that due to the fact that there are few monsters worthy enough to be Tribute Summoned, if you take out the Monarchs and LADD -- either their effects are too underwhelming or too highly priced or whatelse. Changing the concept this way not only takes care of that problem -- it also prevents further production of Tribute Monsters unless they come with formidable and unneeded restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tribute Summons would still suck because it still requires you to get rid of field presence to bring out a stronger, more versatile monster wait wait wait how is this bad? Like forreal tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would be okay with this, if summoning from the deck required more tributes than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I guess I misunderstood the topic at hand. it's kind of hard to get out of the sentimentality that Tribute summons suck. It would probably be the same if Synchros/Xyzs existed in the hand. Unfortunately, this topic is theoretical, so that won't happen, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I guess I misunderstood the topic at hand. it's kind of hard to get out of the sentimentality that Tribute summons suck. It would probably be the same if Synchros/Xyzs existed in the hand. Unfortunately, this topic is theoretical, so that won't happen, regardless. Yeah, it's hard to suddenly take a step back to see the possibilities if Tribute Monsters have been less common since 2008, and save for the Monarchs, also less useful completely. Double Summon into 1 Tribute monsters and it'll feel like using a Rank-Up Magic. Also, Ultimate Offering could never come back. Well, it's kind of the Theory section of the forum, isn't it? I would be okay with this, if summoning from the deck required more tributes than normal. That'd be a great idea. It covers the same amount of advantage loss than if it'd be from the hand, but it'd give the player more options than just what's drawn into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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