DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Hi guys. I know this card is not very unique, it's actually very simple. I just wanted to test something, so i made it. Of course, i didn't draw the picture this time, i took it from the internet. Anyway, I hope you guys like it: Tell me what you think, is the effect balanced, or does it need to be edited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razzy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Seems a little on the weak side in terms of ATK/DEF. Making it Level 4 or lower would help it, I don't think it would make the card too OP since you can't control another monster to use it's effect. I would suggest making the summon in DEF position but since this thing has low ATK itself I think it is fine. Once per turn, if you control no other monsters: You can Special Summon 1 Level 3 or lower Beast-Type monster from your Deck. It's effects are negated.If this card would be destroyed, destroy another Beast-Type monster you control instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Special Summon Key Mouse from the Deck -> Make Naturia Beast.Special Summon Elephun from the Deck -> Make Naturia Barkion.Special Summon X-Saber Airbellum from the Deck -> Make Naturia Landoise.A card that is capable of doing any of these, literally for free, is flat-out ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Seems a little on the weak side in terms of ATK/DEF. Making it Level 4 or lower would help it, I don't think it would make the card too OP since you can't control another monster to use it's effect. I would suggest making the summon in DEF position but since this thing has low ATK itself I think it is fine. You're right, I think I made the card too weak. But its effect is very useful if you ask me, not only it'll be kinda hard to get rid of this card (not that hard though) but its effect is continuous and requires no cost. Besides, it helps for synchro summoning, kinda reminds me of "Deep Sea Diva" but is actually a bit stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Special Summon Key Mouse from the Deck -> Make Naturia Beast. Special Summon Elephun from the Deck -> Make Naturia Barkion. Special Summon X-Saber Airbellum from the Deck -> Make Naturia Landoise. A card that is capable of doing any of these, literally for free, is flat-out ridiculous. Well, it negates the summoned monster's effect, and cannot be used unless you control no other monsters, so you can't say "literally for free". However, I can see what you're trying to say, but you know, there are many cards that can do almost the same, for example "Deep Sea Diva". Maybe if I change it to level 2, it'll be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 can do almost the same, for example "Deep Sea Diva"Diva doesn't become a Spell, Trap, or Monster-effect negation machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Diva doesn't become a Spell, Trap, or Monster-effect negation machine. What do you mean by "Spell, Trap, or Monster-effect negation machine"?! What does this has to do with the topic?! I clearly meant that "Deep Sea Diva" also helps synchro summoning very easily without a cost, you seem to have misunderstood something :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 What do you mean by "Spell, Trap, or Monster-effect negation machine"?! What does this has to do with the topic?! I clearly meant that "Deep Sea Diva" also helps synchro summoning very easily without a cost, which part were you talking about when you wrote your last reply?? The Synchro Monsters Armadilloz mentioned all require EARTH materials so Deep Sea Diva can't make them, but your card can. Also, Deep Sea Diva is limited, so it's not the best example of balance either. The cards Armadilloz mentioned, which your card can make with just the Normal Summon are these 3 (read them): They are the reason your card is too dangerous. Not just because it instantly becomes 1 of these upon Summon, but because it can choose between either of these 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Well, it negates the summoned monster's effect, and cannot be used unless you control no other monsters, so you can't say "literally for free". It has no cost, so it is, literally for free. Controlling no monsters other than it cannot be considered to be a downside, especially when this cards effect translates into: Once per turn, Synchro Summon 1 Naturia Beast / Barkion / Landoise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 The Synchro Monsters Armadilloz mentioned all require EARTH materials so Deep Sea Diva can't make them, but your card can. Also, Deep Sea Diva is limited, so it's not the best example of balance either. The cards Armadilloz mentioned, which your card can make with just the Normal Summon are these 3 (read them): They are the reason your card is too dangerous. Not just because it instantly becomes 1 of these upon Summon, but because it can choose between either of these 3. I know about that, and I even asked if it was going to be fine if I made it level 2 "I meant making Princess of Beasts level 2" seems like I'm going to make it level 1, which is gonna solve the synchro summoning problem (because 1+3 or lower, doesn't get you anywhere) or I could add a part in the effect "you cannot special summon another monster during the same turn you use this effect". Anyway, I'm not posting this to show off my card-making skills or something, I'm just asking for advice. Just wanted to make this clear, because Armadilloz doesn't like the effect, and instead of suggesting something, he keeps trying to tell how much ridiculous it is -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I know about that, and I even asked if it was going to be fine if I made it level 2 "I meant making Princess of Beasts level 2" seems like I'm going to make it level 1, which is gonna solve the synchro summoning problem (because 1+3 or lower, doesn't get you anywhere) or I could add a part in the effect "you cannot special summon another monster during the same turn you use this effect". Anyway, I'm not posting this to show off my card-making skills or something, I'm just asking for advice. Just wanted to make this clear, because Armadilloz doesn't like the effect, and instead of suggesting something, he keeps trying to tell how much ridiculous it is -_- Didn't think you knew about them since you asked Armadilloz what his statement had to do with your card. I was merely clarifying the relationship between said card and those Synchros. Nothing less and more. As for Level 1 change, I think that'd be fine. Level 2 would still make Naturia Beast, which is not AS bad as making either of the 3, but I'm not a big fan of beast so Level 1 is better. Besides, Level 2 would give it the potential to make that Ronin Number, which would outclass the other support that involves FLIP effects to achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Or you could make her DARK to disable her from making Naturia Synchros. She and the bear look evil so the Attribute wouldn't be out of place at all. Regardless, Summoning from the Deck is a quite powerful effect, and I wouldn't call it balanced as Sleepy already pointed out. My suggestion would be to change the effect so it picks the monster from the grave instead, and add some kind of restriction (e.g. You can only Special Summon Beast-Type monsters after using her effect), so the card will need a bit of setup and will roughly be at the same power level as Wolfbark, Masked Chameleon, Pirika, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiabloMask Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Didn't think you knew about them since you asked Armadilloz what his statement had to do with your card. I was merely clarifying the relationship between said card and those Synchros. Nothing less and more. As for Level 1 change, I think that'd be fine. Level 2 would still make Naturia Beast, which is not AS bad as making either of the 3, but I'm not a big fan of beast so Level 1 is better. Besides, Level 2 would give it the potential to make that Ronin Number, which would outclass the other support that involves FLIP effects to achieve it. No problem bro, I was kinda confused, but then I noticed that he was referring to the Naturia monsters when he said "negation machine". Thnx for helping anyway, I appreciate it. I edited the effect, tell me if there's any problem about it. If you read the effect, you'll know why I didn't bother making it level 1. Or you could make her DARK to disable her from making Naturia Synchros. She and the bear look evil so the Attribute wouldn't be out of place at all. Regardless, Summoning from the Deck is a quite powerful effect, and I wouldn't call it balanced as Sleepy already pointed out. My suggestion would be to change the effect so it picks the monster from the grave instead, and add some kind of restriction (e.g. You can only Special Summon Beast-Type monsters after using her effect), so the card will need a bit of setup and will roughly be at the same power level as Wolfbark, Masked Chameleon, Pirika, etc. I took your advice and changed it to a Dark monster, and just in case, I added a small part to the effect "You cannot special summon another monster during the turn you use this effect". Which means you'll have to wait to the next turn to synchro or xyz summon. I feel like it became a useless card now -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I think so too. You needed to choose either the Level edit or the Attribute edit. Not necessarily both. And I think that turn wait is a deal-breaker. Personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 You made her useless with that harsh restriction. Loosen the restriction up a bit, like allowing the summon of Extra Deck Monsters with a specific Type and/or Attribute: Beast, Beast-Warrior, DARK, EARTH, or even a combination of any of them, etc.; it's your call. Since she cannot bring Naturia troubles anymore as a DARK monster, I suppose you could make her Level 3 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razzy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Maybe if you make its effect go off when it is Normal Summoned, and only once per turn. While making a Naturia Synchro is/can be a powerful play they themselves do have cost that would need to be met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Maybe if you make its effect go off when it is Normal Summoned, and only once per turn. While making a Naturia Synchro is/can be a powerful play they themselves do have cost that would need to be met. Yeah, because banishing 2 cards from your Graveyard / milling 2 cards are balanced costs. Since she cannot bring Naturia troubles anymore as a DARK monster, I suppose you could make her Level 3 now. If he would remove the no SS clause and keep it at Level 2, you can make The Fabled Unicore with this + The Fabled Cerburell. If its Level 3, then change Cerburell with Chawa. Really, we do not need another 1 card Unicore in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I never said I didn't like the effect, just... It being EARTH was part of the issue with this card. Also, if you wanted, you could list that your card Summons non-Tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 If he would remove the no SS clause and keep it at Level 2, you can make The Fabled Unicore with this + The Fabled Cerburell. If its Level 3, then change Cerburell with Chawa. Really, we do not need another 1 card Unicore in this game. I agree. That could be fixed by restricting the SS clause to only DARK and/or EARTH monsters, or with Armz suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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