CLG Klavier Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 So seeing as the sneak peek already happened and the set is hitting TCG land in days, it would be pretty nice to talk about stuff. What will change about the meta? What will be relevant? How much we hate Qliphorts? etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Meta consists of BA and Qlips, which are both easily tier 0. Qlips will generally decide the game VS most decks by turn 2, while BA will slowroll everything considering they're floatier than Yang Zing. Shaddolls, Tellars, and YZ will all fall around tier 1-2. Similar to the Dragon Ruler/Spellbook of Judgment format, if you aren't playing one of the two tier 0 decks, you don't stand nearly as good of a chance. Only difference is that the games that involve Qlips and not BA are going to be boring as shit and not worth playing nor watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Qliphs need to rot in hell on the banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Meta consists of BA and Qlips, which are both easily tier 0. Qlips will generally decide the game VS most decks by turn 2, while BA will slowroll everything considering they're floatier than Yang Zing. Shaddolls, Tellars, and YZ will all fall around tier 1-2. Similar to the Dragon Ruler/Spellbook of Judgment format, if you aren't playing one of the two tier 0 decks, you don't stand nearly as good of a chance. Only difference is that the games that involve Qlips and not BA are going to be boring as s*** and not worth playing nor watching. I don't think you understand what tier 0 is. BA and Qlips are most definitely not Tier 0. They are solid tier 1s however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 If you assume them as tier 1, then you gotta shove down the rest of the decks to the bottom as well. Qliphs and BA WILL be above any other possible deck. So assigning them to tier 0 is fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 @Dem: I liked the way you put it. I had no idea of how things would turn out post-NECH, but now I do. Anyways, apparently Qliphs will be the worst of the format as they won't even be entertaining to watch, and if it were not for BAs they would be steamrolling over everything. Did they dominate the OCG when they were just released, or what went different over there? Did Seraphs/Shock Master got in their way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Qliphs need to rot in hell on the banlist. And so do Burning Abyss. And so does Vanity's. But they made the decks such shit that they're going to have to hit hard, like really hard. Banning Tool or limiting for Qlips might not even be enough. Tool has what, 8-9 searchers in the deck? Limiting might not help as much as banning would. For Burning Abyss... All of their shit could get hit. I WANT it all to get hit. Hitting Cir or Scarm or both sounds best, but fuck, the original 3 and Dante do too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 And so do Burning Abyss. And so does Vanity's. But they made the decks such s*** that they're going to have to hit hard, like really hard. Banning Tool or limiting for Qlips might not even be enough. Tool has what, 8-9 searchers in the deck? Limiting might not help as much as banning would. For Burning Abyss... All of their s*** could get hit. I WANT it all to get hit. Hitting Cir or Scarm or both sounds best, but f***, the original 3 and Dante do too much. Once more said the Nekroz guy >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Once more said the Nekroz guy >> Nekroz aren't as good as people make out. At least, they don't compare to Burning Abyss or Qliphorts AT this point. SECE might change things. I've only gotten lucky to beat Qliphorts because people either suck or Denko laughs so much and then I OTK, but….I hardly ever beat Burning Abyss because they have so much shit in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 If you assume them as tier 1, then you gotta shove down the rest of the decks to the bottom as well. Qliphs and BA WILL be above any other possible deck. So assigning them to tier 0 is fitting. Thats fine, because the definition of a "tier 0" is a deck that destroys everything BUT itself. So as such, you cant have 2 tier 0 decks because it would violate the definition (a deck can't be tier 0 if there is another deck that can match it). Tele-DAD is the perfect example of this. Back in the day, there was literally nothing that could stand in the way of Tele-DAD except Tele-DAD itself. And this was in the format where Lightsworns were at or near their peak, and they couldn't even hold a decent candle to Tele-DAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Qliphs need to rot in hell on the banlist. Same could be said about every deck that was tier 0. .... owait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 @Dem: I liked the way you put it. I had no idea of how things would turn out post-NECH, but now I do. Anyways, apparently Qliphs will be the worst of the format as they won't even be entertaining to watch, and if it were not for BAs they would be steamrolling over everything. Did they dominate the OCG when they were just released, or what went different over there? Did Seraphs/Shock Master got in their way? nope, in OCG the cardpool made it easier for other decks to handle them. In fact, for a while, Qlip is not the best deck there, that honor went to decks featuring the Star Seraph engine. praise based shock. But yeah. Man, I gotta start planning on getting Virgils, the tuner, and Fire Lake soon. this is going to get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Thats fine, because the definition of a "tier 0" is a deck that destroys everything BUT itself. So as such, you cant have 2 tier 0 decks because it would violate the definition (a deck can't be tier 0 if there is another deck that can match it). Tele-DAD is the perfect example of this. Back in the day, there was literally nothing that could stand in the way of Tele-DAD except Tele-DAD itself. And this was in the format where Lightsworns were at or near their peak, and they couldn't even hold a decent candle to Tele-DAD. I was arpund during that time, and lightsworns did just fine, they just had to not mill everything they needed. it really then became all dependent on what you milled. I'm not saying tele-dad wasn't a monster, it totally was, it's just I watched and played that meta in my early tournament days and it wasn't really a tier 0, so much so as it was just super freaking consistent. kinda what the game has turned into for all the top tier decks, they gotta have at least 10 different ways to get to their win condition gamestate or no one even considers the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 nope, in OCG the cardpool made it easier for other decks to handle them. In fact, for a while, Qlip is not the best deck there, that honor went to decks featuring the Star Seraph engine. Star seraphs beat qlips for real huh? U WOT M8! I always thought they were really good and had some pretty nice potential and played around with them for a bit but that just sounds crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Star seraphs beat qlips for real huh? U WOT M8! I always thought they were really good and had some pretty nice potential and played around with them for a bit but that just sounds crazy... He's right. Qlips are actually being heavily outshadowed over there. Thats how bad the OCG game-state is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I don't like the New Challengers. It's just a set with 1 new overkill archetype, mostly unnecessary support for pre-existing ones, and then a bunch of junk. At least Duelist Alliance introduced multiple great archetypes, and Primal Origins before it gave lots of meaningful support. Secrets of Eternity is looking similarly poor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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