вєgσттєη ιηѕαηιту Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Weenies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Small, efficent creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I'd happily contribute to some life gain stuff.Battle Priest Guy Person 1WCreature - Human Cleric {U}Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.[3/1]There's never historically been many 'life gain matters' competitive archetypes besides the more devoted Soul Sisters. I figure supporting a more aggressive archetype in a Constructed format would be quite novel. Along with bombs à la Archangel of Thune, there's an interesting approach to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Is that really uncommon worthy? Anyways: King's Verdict [1W] Instant [C] Counter target spell unless its controller pays [3]. MaRo said a few times Mana Leak could be white. Then Mana Leak was deemend too strong. But we're not MaRo. >:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 3/1s with upside can be common, but I've always personally preferred them at uncommon. The other thing is that the trigger is surprisingly harsh on board complexity despite it seeming so lovey-dovey.White Mana Leak is super duper strong. Mana Leak in itself is a hilariously strong card, so I don't know how I feel about a white version. White Spell Pierce, perhaps? Even White Remand would be kinda cool (although that's arguable too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Mana tithe is a white counterspell, but its colorshifted, and a 3/1 essence warden for 2 mana should definitely be uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Secret Sword 1WInstantTarget blocking creature you control deal damage equal to its power to target creature it is blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Remember "strong" is subjective in our case. No harm going a TAD crazier. We can just write it off as a CW01 Taxing Counter and figure out the actual effect once we're deeper in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I'm not too sure on white mana leak either...IDK why thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 You want to keep the power level of the set low but you want to give white a mana leak? I'm not getting your design philosophy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Low power set doesn't mean there are no strong cards. Theros was relatively low-power set. Meanwhile, Elspeth, Polukranos, Gary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Low power set doesn't mean there are no strong cards. Theros was relatively low-power set. Meanwhile, Elspeth, Polukranos, Gary?Sure, but White Mana Leak is pretty out there. It would pretty much automatically define an entire archetype by itself. When we can design a whole format from scratch, that seems like a waste of competitive diversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Faaaaaair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
вєgσттєη ιηѕαηιту Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Solemn Query 1WW Instant [C] Counter target Instant or Sorcery. Scry 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Solemn Query 1WWInstant [C]Counter target Instant or Sorcery. Scry 2.While this is probably fine from a power perspective, white definitely doesn't get hard counters. It gets soft counters (those with the phrase '...unless its controller pays {MANA}' at the end) sparingly however. Mana Tithe and Judge's Familiar would be good examples of this. Note that Mana Tithe was designed in a set with an alternate reality colour pie: at that point, White didn't have soft counters at all. Since then, it's become firm design space for the colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Vouch for the Gods 3W Instant - C Up to three target creatures you control each gain protection from the color of your choice until end of turn. Draw a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 More various Stuff:Aiding Dove 2WCreature - BirdFlyingWhen Aiding Dove enters the battlefield you gain 2 life.2/1Profiteer Monk 1WCreature - Human ClericSpells that target Profiteer Monk cost {1} more to cast.1/3Blatant Tax WEnchantment - AuraEnchant red or black permanentActivated abilities of enchanted permanent cost {2} more to activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
вєgσттєη ιηѕαηιту Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Solemn Query 1WW Instant [C] Counter target Instant or Sorcery. Scry 2. EDITED Solemn Query 1WW Sorcery [C] Scry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 EDITED Solemn Query 1WWSorcery [C]Scry 4 :P And pure scry happens to be an entirely blue effect! All colours get scry to a small extent, usually stapled onto an effect that's firmly in their colour pie. But only blue gets scry as a stand-alone effect, and the only colour (except perhaps red) to get scry numbers 3 and above.That said, I'd quite like to have scry as one of the Alpha mechanics. So people could just stick scry into a few of their designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Scry should just be evergreen IMO :3 Rodders, same color for all 3 or different? Gokai, simple and cute stuff. I like the Profiteer, though with this wording, your spells on him are more expensive too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Scry should just be evergreen IMO :3 Rodders, same color for all 3 or different? Gokai, simple and cute stuff. I like the Profiteer, though with this wording, your spells on him are more expensive too. Same color for all 3, or else it'd get too complex/too strong perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 TBH, it's already a potential 3-for-0 waiting to happen. Probably uncommon, like Brave the Elements. Then again, cost might be down to 2W too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 TBH, it's already a potential 3-for-0 waiting to happen. Probably uncommon, like Brave the Elements. Then again, cost might be down to 2W too. Could be uncommon, but with a cantrip? I'd say 3W is fine. Actually, it'll depend on the entire power level/speed of the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I just fired these cards off really quick for white commons. I used the old frames because I felt like it. http://imgur.com/a/vY2vl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Secret Sword [1W]Instant [C]Target blocking creature you control deals damage equal to its power to the creature it's blocking. A slightly worse Smite, since it's not guaranteed kill and costs more. IMO, it could easily cost a single [W]. Vouch for the Gods [3W] Instant [C] Up to three target creatures you control each gain protection from the color of your choice until end of turn. Draw a card. After thinking it through, I think it's fine at common. It can be a huge combat swing, but the number of targets is limited, so you can't alpha strike with an entire token army with it. Aiding Dove [2W] Creature - Bird [C] Flying When Aiding Dove enters the battlefield, gain 2 life. 2/1 Simple and sweet, fine. Profiteer Monk [1W] Creature - Human Cleric [C] Spells that target Profiteer Monk cost [1] more to cast. 1/3 As I said before, it could probably affect only your opponent's spells and still be fine. Weaker Hexproof pretty much, but you still have reasons to stack it with auras/pumps then. Blatant Tax [W] Enchantment - Aura [C] Enchant black or red permanent Activated abilities of the enchanted permanent cost [2] more to activate. This is...a weird one. Not many noncreature permanents have activated abilities, just some oddball enchantments. Probably could go to a [3] tax. That's what I think about stuff so far, I'll transcript Poc's cards later and review them as well. Loooots of them. EDIT: Quickly went over Poc's cards and I have have just one question: WHY ARE ALL THE CREATURES SO WEEEEEEEEEAK? White is known for its efficency. 4 mana 2/1 bodies with ETB effects aren't efficent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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