Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 1WU Bestow 1WUU Sloth (During your untap step, flip a coin. If it is tails, it doesn't untap this untap step unless you pay its mana cost.) Enchanted creature gets +3/+4 and has sloth. When ~ enters the battlefield, if it is an Aura, tap enchanted creature. 3/4 [spoiler Regular Enchantment Version] {1}{w}{u}{u} Enchanted creature has sloth. [/spoiler] [spoiler V1] {3}{w}{u} Corrupted Angel, Sloth Enchantment Creature- Fallen Angel Bestow {4}{w}{u}{u} Enchanted creature has sloth. (If a creature with sloth is tapped, during it's controller's upkeep, that player must flip a coin. If the result is heads the creature is untapped, if the result is tails it remains tapped.) Sooo.... yeah.. idk.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I am not even going to bother with templating for 'sloth'. For now I will mention that the current wording actually allows it to untap more often than if it did not have it. 'Fallen Angel' is not a subtype. The correct typing would simply be 'Angel' If sloth prevents the untapping like I can only assume it would, this card is... Terrible. A 7-mana investment should win you the game, not slow down a creature and grant you with a 3/4 when the creature dies. Furthermore, for this to work like other Bestow cards, it should grant +3/+4, and the creature itself should have Sloth as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Usually, a creature with bestow would have the same abilities that it's bestowing, and it also grants the bestowed creature its P/T. We're spending a whopping 7 mana for a possibility of the enchanted creature not untapping. It doesn't even tap the creature on bestow. I'd rather play Claustrophobia, or, well, Sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I am not even going to bother with templating for 'sloth'. For now I will mention that the current wording actually allows it to untap more often than if it did not have it. 'Fallen Angel' is not a subtype. The correct typing would simply be 'Angel' If sloth prevents the untapping like I can only assume it would, this card is... Terrible. A 7-mana investment should win you the game, not slow down a creature and grant you with a 3/4 when the creature dies. Furthermore, for this to work like other Bestow cards, it should grant +3/+4, and the creature itself should have Sloth as well. http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Fallen_angel#Fallen_Angels Now for that ninja... *Edit* Usually, a creature with bestow would have the same abilities that it's bestowing, and it also grants the bestowed creature its P/T. We're spending a whopping 7 mana for a possibility of the enchanted creature not untapping. It doesn't even tap the creature on bestow. I'd rather play Claustrophobia, or, well, Sleep. The P/T gain was mentioned by Giga and will be edited. {3}{w}{u} Corrupted Angel, Sloth Enchantment Creature- Fallen Angel Sloth Bestow {4}{w}{u}{u} Enchanted creature has sloth and gets +3/+4. Tap enchanted creature. (This creature does not untap during it's controller's upkeep unless they flip a coin and the result is heads; also that player must pay the enchanted creature's mana cost.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 As a note, creatures do not untap during the upkeep. They untap during the untap step, which takes place before the upkeep. Also, as for fallen angel as a subtype, I would love for you to show me any actual card ever printed with 'fallen' in its subtype. I just checked so that you couldn't prove me wrong, it does not exist. Even if an angel has fallen, it is still an Angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 {3}{w}{u}Corrupted Angel, SlothEnchantment Creature- AngelSlothBestow {4}{w}{u}{u}Enchanted creature has sloth and gets +3/+4. Tap enchanted creature. (This creature does not untap during it's controller's untap step unless they flip a coin and the result is heads; also that player must pay the enchanted creature's mana cost.)Since it has a name (and i now have some room), shouldn't it be a Legendary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I mean, it could be legendary, but that really just adds yet another downside to a very low-power card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 If I dropped the rarity down to uncommon or even common and made it a Legendary Creature, maybe dropped the Bestow by {2} and the cast by {1}? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 If you want it to be playable, let alone legendary, we'll need a good reason for someone to even play it, both as a creature and as a bestowed aura. As a bestow, the downside it weighs the creature with has to be worth the P/T boost. Sloth only gives a 50% chance of the creature untapping, and it's far from ideal when we're boosting an opponent's creature. As mentioned before, I would rather cast Claustrophobia for this job. As a creature, you get a 3/4 for 5 mana - also not very efficient unless we see some good ability to offset it. But it's got sloth that bogs down its playability. The Journey to Nyx downside-bestows offer relatively cheap creature and bestow costs to offset their downsides as a creature and the P/T boost as an aura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 If you want it to be playable, let alone legendary, we'll need a good reason for someone to even play it, both as a creature and as a bestowed aura. As a bestow, the downside it weighs the creature with has to be worth the P/T boost. Sloth only gives a 50% chance of the creature untapping, and it's far from ideal when we're boosting an opponent's creature. As mentioned before, I would rather cast Claustrophobia for this job. As a creature, you get a 3/4 for 5 mana - also not very efficient unless we see some good ability to offset it. But it's got sloth that bogs down its playability. The Journey to Nyx downside-bestows offer relatively cheap creature and bestow costs to offset their downsides as a creature and the P/T boost as an aura. If I dropped the rarity down to uncommon or even common and made it a Legendary Creature, maybe dropped the Bestow by {3} and the cast by {2}?(This creature does not untap during it's controller's untap step unless they flip a coin and the result is heads; also that player must pay the enchanted creature's mana cost.)It's 50/50, plus the player basically has to lose a turn (of casting) unless they have a lot of lands that act as multiple mana colors or gets more than 1 land out in their turn some how. I could make it that they have to flip 2 coins and get 2 heads. or 2 coins 1 head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 So, let's see what it will look like now: 1WU Bestow 1WUU Sloth (During your untap step, flip a coin. If it is tails, it doesn't untap this untap step unless you pay its mana cost.) Enchanted creature gets +3/+4 and has sloth. When ~ enters the battlefield, if it is an Aura, tap enchanted creature. 3/4 Well, this is how I interpret the latest version of sloth, and it starts to feel a bit like a chance-based version of Singing Bell Strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well, this is how I interpret the latest version of sloth, and it starts to feel a bit like a chance-based version of Singing Bell Strike. Depending on what you play it on, it can also be more cost worthy to your opponent. Is it good now? cause I haven't actually edited the 'carbon' copy yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 It is fine. But weak, and there is no point for the card to be a creature. You could just make it an enchantment and have it cost UW. Also, Fallen Angel isn't a registered creature type to appear on a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 It is fine. But weak, and there is no point for the card to be a creature. You could just make it an enchantment and have it cost UW. Also, Fallen Angel isn't a registered creature type to appear on a card. The second or so edit fixed the 'fallen angel' bit. I don't really think the name or art really fits with the idea of an enchantment. If I find something, then I'll gladly make an aura version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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