Virgil, Rock Star of the Burning Abyss

[Slinky]

1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters
You can only control 1 "Virgil, Rock Star of the Burning Abyss". Once per turn: You can discard 1 "Burning Abyss" card, then target 1 card your opponent controls or in their Graveyard; shuffle it into the Deck. If this card on the field is destroyed by battle or card effect and sent to the Graveyard: You can draw 1 card. You can only use this effect of "Virgil, Rock Star of the Burning Abyss" once per turn.

 

I'm beginning to think that this is seriously one of the best generic level 6s ever made. Even outside of BAs, it is still a 2500 beater that nets you a card when its destroyed. And it can even be by your own card (meaning you can Chain CotH to an MST and still get the draw). I would seriously consider placing a copy in Yang Zings

 

Discuss?

[Marco Polo]

O_O

uhm, how would that draw be any better than going into yazi / baxia?

[Slinky]

You can't always make Yazi/Baxia.

 

The levels are different. If this was 7 or 8 instead of 6, No question I'd go into Yazi or Baxia instead. But it's not.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

O_O

uhm, how would that draw be any better than going into yazi / baxia?

 

Considering this isn't the same level as either, this question is invalid.

 

Considering I run Bulb in my scraps, I am considering this as well, since I could just plus soooooooooo hard with this and some other scrap effects (assuming factory had already been triggered that turn. Otherwise, fuck draw I will get a summon). Goyo has a nice attack value, but floating into a draw really pushes this ahead.

[CLG Klavier]

O_O

uhm, how would that draw be any better than going into yazi / baxia?

Wow, you're right! Why would I go into Virgil when I can go into Quasar, true!

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

the actual issue is that a self replacing 2500 vanilla from the extra is pretty mediocre. 2500 isnt a good number to be at currently.

[Blake]

TBH, Psyhemuth and, more importantly, Nothung are stronger generic 6s.

 

The float is cute, but destruction is getting worse and worse. Not impossible, just not near as likely.

 

Psyhemuth is still a D.D. Warrior Lady on demand with 2400 ATK. The stat alone is decent, and pairing it with the fact it can remove threats makes it even better.

 

But Nothung is truly the gem of Generic 6.

 

It's "bigger" than Goyo, at least when it counts, and it cowboys at the same time. It can kill anything smaller than 3200, and crash with 3200. It also chip damages.

 

In Yang Zing, especially, this becomes a potentially 2900. This means anything under 3700. It's not incredibly likely to encounter that, but it's there in theory. It's still a 2900, which is hard to get over in its own right.

[Slinky]

TBH, Psyhemuth and, more importantly, Nothung are stronger generic 6s.

 

The float is cute, but destruction is getting worse and worse. Not impossible, just not near as likely.

 

Psyhemuth is still a D.D. Warrior Lady on demand with 2400 ATK. The stat alone is decent, and pairing it with the fact it can remove threats makes it even better.

 

But Nothung is truly the gem of Generic 6.

 

It's "bigger" than Goyo, at least when it counts, and it cowboys at the same time. It can kill anything smaller than 3200, and crash with 3200. It also chip damages.

 

In Yang Zing, especially, this becomes a potentially 2900. This means anything under 3700. It's not incredibly likely to encounter that, but it's there in theory. It's still a 2900, which is hard to get over in its own right.

 

Hm, Nothung is also a good option. I suppose it comes down to if you want hand advantage or weaker monsters to deal with.

the actual issue is that a self replacing 2500 vanilla from the extra is pretty mediocre. 2500 isnt a good number to be at currently.

 

..Am I missing something? whats wrong with 2500?

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

...besides the fact that pretty much every deck nowadays can climb that? then nothing lol.

 

like ba arent bad or weak but a significant weakness of the deck is that it cant climb past 2500 w/o putting themselves in danger (acid golem) or using a card like giga-brilliant. the deck cant run upstart because it is impossible for any combination of 3 rank 3 monsters that can be summoned in 1 turn to break 9k damage. the highest is 8500 assuming all direct attacks and it requires bad card shark caesar and going all in with acid golem.

[Expelsword]

...besides the fact that pretty much every deck nowadays can climb that? then nothing lol.

 

like ba arent bad or weak but a significant weakness of the deck is that it cant climb past 2500 w/o putting themselves in danger (acid golem) or using a card like giga-brilliant. the deck cant run upstart because it is impossible for any combination of 3 rank 3 monsters that can be summoned in 1 turn to break 9k damage. the highest is 8500 assuming all direct attacks and it requires bad card shark caesar and going all in with acid golem.

 

While I agree with the 2500 point, I think it's a little silly to basically say that Burning Abyss can't win if they don't OTK.

[Blake]

While I agree with the 2500 point, I think it's a little silly to basically say that Burning Abyss can't win if they don't OTK.

I'm pretty sure the context was post-Nekroz.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

it is a gameplan they have to go for very often. the move away from traps was specifically to do that instead, because it is overall a much better way to play in the recent format. pre-nekroz, all 3 big decks could choose to throw big fields and end the game in their first or second turn and any deck that chose not to tended to lose. nekroz is gonna regress that because no ones gonna otk through a valk and the followup play but watching recent showings made it pretty clear everyones goal was to hit 8k in a single turn if possible.

[Slinky]

...besides the fact that pretty much every deck nowadays can climb that? then nothing lol.

 

like ba arent bad or weak but a significant weakness of the deck is that it cant climb past 2500 w/o putting themselves in danger (acid golem) or using a card like giga-brilliant. the deck cant run upstart because it is impossible for any combination of 3 rank 3 monsters that can be summoned in 1 turn to break 9k damage. the highest is 8500 assuming all direct attacks and it requires bad card shark caesar and going all in with acid golem.

 

Also, I'm not talking about BA as a deck, I'm talking about the card (Virgil) itself, and its uses as a GENERIC Synchro. 

Like Giga said, Scraps could easily make use of this off a Glow-up/Golem

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

my point is why 2500 in general isnt a good stat to be at, pointing to ba specifically because it as a deck cant climb that without a large investment comparitively.

 

and again, a monster with not great attack that only self-replaces? assuming you summoned it on a 0? yawn.

[Slinky]

my point is why 2500 in general isnt a good stat to be at, pointing to ba specifically because it as a deck cant climb that without a large investment comparitively.

 

and again, a monster with not great attack that only self-replaces? assuming you summoned it on a 0? yawn.

 

Compared to the other pool of 6s, thats actually significantly better than what the rest do

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

not really.

 

nothung and hts are already mentioned if you need something that can just merc fools.

 

like yeah 6 is bad but this is part of the problem, not an exception

[Marco Polo]

Wow, you're right! Why would I go into Virgil when I can go into Quasar, true!

It's freakishly easy to set up 7 or 8. Why in the world would you go 6. Hell, that's essentially like getting rid of 2 floaters for a "beatstick (barely)" that draws 1 upon destruction.
Edit: I'll rephrase. You had the set up for 6, and in a turn, perhaps less (this turn) you could could set up the right stuff for 8, why would you stop here and go 6 for.. this. What's that even, a draw?