Minato Sakai Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 [spoiler=conversation] [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 ... so, this "Lachrimae" person made: # a Pot of Duality on legs without the no-SS restriction, # can only be affected by non-targeting effects (so, basically, immune to Lance, D-Prison, Book of Moon, etc.), # it has a highly-supported Type, # has enough strength to make use of its effect... ... ... ... now, see, there's a lesson in here somewhere about saying no to/not talking to strangers. This is far too strong for what it can do. And as it is not your card, I'm not sure if there is any point in making any suggestions on how to tone it down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato Sakai Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 ... so, this "Lachrimae" person made: # a Pot of Duality on legs without the no-SS restriction, # can only be affected by non-targeting effects (so, basically, immune to Lance, D-Prison, Book of Moon, etc.), # it has a highly-supported Type, # has enough strength to make use of its effect... ... ... ... now, see, there's a lesson in here somewhere about saying no to/not talking to strangers. This is far too strong for what it can do. And as it is not your card, I'm not sure if there is any point in making any suggestions on how to tone it down.... pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Pretty much broken in most senses of the word. First of all, it's immune to targeting effects; meaning stuff like Castel and the common counters can't do anything against it. Yeah, we got Raigeki and Exciton (or Mirror Force), if that's any good nowadays; but no excuse for this sort of thing. Second, it's a Dragon; and by that logic, any support cards Dragons already look forward to apply to it; including being revived by Darkness Metal (or freely SSed from the hand) if needed. Third, the Duality effect; which will likely trigger nearly every time this attacks. As mentioned earlier, this lacks the no Special Summon clause that Duality has; so in essence, damage opponent, search a card; then SS another boss in Main Phase 2 or something. (Or you can force the opponent to ram this during their turn, and trigger at that point). Also keep in mind this card lacks a hard OPT like Duality, so what's to stop you from triggering 2-3 copies of this? (Granted, you probably don't need to have a full set; but yeah it's open for abuse in certain cases) Fourth, 2700/2400 stats are certainly enough to hurt things + deal damage and trigger this effect. And it has no restrictions on summoning, so you can summon it however you please. ---- So yeah, what was this member thinking when he/she designed this card? Even though this isn't your card, I could probably say strip the protection effect (or weaken it a bit to OPT things) AND make its excavation effect like Duality's. That should tone it down enough, so the idea isn't stupid; but there's likely more to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 How is this card broken? This card just seems to be a quality card. Yes, it has two good effects, but it's a level 7 monster with no summoning clause! What's the problem with this as a boss monster? It doesn't break the 2800 bar, and it +1s every turn like a good boss monster should. The most it could need would be a slight attack decrease.This card is a solid Super Trans target for Ninjas.dek. Yes, it's a Dragon, but it's not DARK so it can't abuse Lightpulsar. REDMD, sure, and it can be a target for Seven Star Sword, but that's about it.I don't understand what all of the people before me were thinking and am frankly astounded. I quite like the transposition of the MtG card into the YGO card. What would be a balanced card to you guys? Gradius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BtanH Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I'm inclined to agree with Cirrus. I think the only thing this needs is the removal of the built in protection effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 If anything, I would suggest to not make the anti targeting permanent. To try and emulate the actual MtG card, have it somehow drop that hexproofing when it attacks. Makes it easier to deal with after it gets its effect off the first time. I'm not sure how to word that properly. In actuality it's slightly nerfed from its MtG version. Then again the systems in both games mean they operate significantly differently. Not having a flying parallel means it can be turtled against, and excavating compared to just looking means your opponent can prepare for what's to come. Just find a way to make it temporarily targetable if it ever attacks, and it loses some staying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cirrus Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 The guy is very wise in his changes.I was also going to suggest the Leo clause. I mean there is a somewhat more accurate alternative but it's clunkier and I don't think it really needs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato Sakai Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 The guy is very wise in his changes. I was also going to suggest the Leo clause. I mean there is an alternative but it's clunkier. i told him to have it be targetable while its in defense, and change itself to defense after it attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 This guy is Sun 0))). 90% sure of it. As a generic beater, it is quite nice. Lack of alternate summoning condition prevents it from breaking anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato Sakai Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 This guy is Sun 0))). 90% sure of it. As a generic beater, it is quite nice. Lack of alternate summoning condition prevents it from breaking anything. lachrimae is sun. im just doing this for him because he beat me in a match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Yeah, it is still a very decent beater when needed. I just worry about it being abusable with Darkness Metal and all that other stuff; but that being said, every relevant Dragon can abuse him, so... That's in conjunction with it being a walking Duality when it damages something; but yes Raigeki's becoming more common lately and can still hit this card regardless. Regarding the MtG thing, given I don't play the game, I wouldn't have picked up on it. i told him to have it be targetable while its in defense, and change itself to defense after it attacks. Yeah, that should be fine. At least its protection's been toned down a bit. --- That being said, he could just post the card himself unless he is indeed Sunn O. From the looks of things, probably is; given Sunn's posted a few YGO cards derived from MtG as well at some point in time. EDIT: Nvm, it's confirmed to be Sun. (If he didn't post that porn image, we might've allowed him back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato Sakai Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Yeah, it is still a very decent beater when needed. I just worry about it being abusable with Darkness Metal and all that other stuff; but that being said, every relevant Dragon can abuse him, so... That's in conjunction with it being a walking Duality when it damages something; but yes Raigeki's becoming more common lately and can still hit this card regardless. Regarding the MtG thing, given I don't play the game, I wouldn't have picked up on it. Yeah, that should be fine. At least its protection's been toned down a bit. --- That being said, he could just post the card himself unless he is indeed Sunn O. From the looks of things, probably is; given Sunn's posted a few YGO cards derived from MtG as well at some point in time. EDIT: Nvm, it's confirmed to be Sun. (If he didn't post that porn image, we might've allowed him back) ill post the edited card once he sends it to me. what did he do to get banned? edit: picture is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I'm not understanding the negative feedback... It's summonable by REDMD...well that sounds like REDMD has a real problem. "Every relevant dragon" So with Tidal and redox banned and REDMD at 1, what are these other relevant dragons that make it easy to summon this thing? As stated before its a boss monster that requires some commitment, so far the only truly easy way (not REDMD) to summon this thing is Hanzo which is great. Ninjas needed help and better targets. Even its form of "Duality" is an on hit ability which encourages player interaction and is good for the game. It doesn't pass the 2800 threshold and it makes up for the commitment that goes into it. Its a pretty solid card in my opinion. If I had to say change anything I would say change "targeted" to "destroyed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I agree with Cirrus and Have a Lovely Day (as in the user). Everyone thinks of Dragons as well-supported but really they're not at all - the only thing they have left of relevance to this is Red-Metal Dragon (possibly Shrine, possibly Ravine if you make a build focusing on dumping it). The effect WOULD be broken if it were easier to Summon but I simply think Xathers and Sakura are overestimating the support it has... if it was DARK they might have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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