Timeline15 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Do you guys reckon this guy could go back to more than 1? I hear he's at 3 in the ocg, and I haven't seen any Inzektor decks affecting the meta there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 The power in OCG is alot higher though since they have quite alot of exclusives that they can use. It might not be as strong of a deck over there for such reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 This should honestly go to 0. Why? Because then it lets Dragonfly move up, and that will vastly improve the deck.Sure, the deck will have to now rely on Ladybug, but who cares; You now have 3 Dragonfly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Sure, the deck will have to now rely on Ladybug, but who cares; You now have 3 Dragonfly. That's like saying Nekroz would be happy with no Valk if you give them 3 Brio. Dragonfly's the broken card here, Hornet probably could move up particularly because the metagame is currently very unkind to Inzektors, but the deck's pretty dull and not much good for the game so I wouldn't do much to push them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Dragonfly's the broken card here, Hornet probably could move up particularly because the metagame is currently very unkind to Inzektors, but the deck's pretty dull and not much good for the game so I wouldn't do much to push them.But Hornet is what enables the loops with that Zekt-sword Dx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 The 1 Dragonfly is just as important as the 1 Hornet at enabling that combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 The 1 Dragonfly is just as important as the 1 Hornet at enabling that combo.I don't know, I guess part of me always wanted to see them doing shenanigans with Ladybug.But yea, you have fair points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hornet is poorly designed, but the real culprit is Dragonfly. Even with Hornet banned, there's already ways to otk without it off Dragonfly and Ladybug. Neither Hornet nor Dragonfly can come off the list without the other being banned, but 3 hornet without dragonfly would hurt the deck more than it would help since they can't make plays without Dragonfly. If it makes Dragonfly come back, I'm all for banning Hornet. If Dragonfly somehow escapes with Hornet at 1, I'm going to have a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I mean like inzektors are pretty good for the game so yeah this could go up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 These were a prime example of cards being intentionally unbalanced for the sake of selling. I mean, they were tier 0 in 2012, and at that time Konami already knew better and had implemented hard OPT clauses to a few cards in the game. Meanwhile Dragonfly can go off multiple times per chain.... It could probably go up without killing off Dragonfly someday if a format gets cards to float hard enough that Inzektor's biggest combos are unable to deplete the field and OTK, or if it becomes common enough for many decks to get hand or Graveyard traps consistently against something like this... but the game is not there yet... and I'm not sure if it'll go that way at some point necessarily..... So for now: No. I'm saying this without checking what the position of this and Dragonfly is in the OCG, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 OCG has Dank Law which invalidates this card- Heroes OCG has Shock Master + CDI which invalidates this card - Tellars OCG has Infernoids which can banish this card DD crow style- Infernoids OCG has Clown Blade which floats like root beer.... need I go on, bad comparison is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 OCG has Dank Law which invalidates this card- Heroes OCG has Shock Master + CDI which invalidates this card - Tellars OCG has Infernoids which can banish this card DD crow style- Infernoids OCG has Clown Blade which floats like root beer.... need I go on, bad comparison is bad I get this feeling that CDI would probably strive to negate something earlier in the setup, but I can see it. Doesn't Clown Blade have a hard OPT clause though? That doesn't look out or Hornet's reach entirely, even if I'm assuming good setup from the Inzektor side there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Even with Hornet banned, there's already ways to otk without it off Dragonfly and Ladybug.How you can otk off Dragonfly, Ladybug and 1 other card? All Inzektor loops have required Dragonfly AND Hornet.Sure, you can go Dfly->ladybug->Centipede->search Dfly->Xyz r4/5->repeat turn 2, but like that's pretty tame, really. you put a monster out and set up for next turn. cool. it's not exactly wiping out the opponent's field and dropping 4 xyz.3 Dragonfly, 0 Hornet was fine in 2012. It's certainly okay now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I get this feeling that CDI would probably strive to negate something earlier in the setup, but I can see it. Doesn't Clown Blade have a hard OPT clause though? That doesn't look out or Hornet's reach entirely, even if I'm assuming good setup from the Inzektor side there. CDI is there to make sure shocky doesn't get Torrentialed or Veilered Blade can go planetellar into tiaras or into CND or just shock... Shaddolls either play trap dolls and make sure Hornet doesn't stick around or go invulnerable with Train Dolls or nuke with volcanic dolls. Inzektors are done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 How you can otk off Dragonfly, Ladybug and 1 other card? You open Dragonfly, Ladybug, and MST. Raigeki is also nice. Dfly>Lady +2>special Centi>+2>search Mantis> Equip to Dfly>MST Mantis> Special Centi from deck and Ladybug from grave>overlay your two 5s for Shark Fortress> equip Mantis to Ladybug> rekt. It's surprisingly consistent if you go second and your opponent doesn't get something huge on board, which is common since you want to avoid over extending. You can do more shenanigans with Ladybug depending on what you have. Like that Otk I mentioned gets easier with two Axes or if you have a Centipede in grave because you can search two more times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Inzektors were never tier 0 or even close to tier 0. In fact, they were the 4th best deck behind Rabbit, Wind-Ups and Chaos Dragons for almost the entire time theyw ere out (think the first few weeks were Chaos Dragon-free). The only reason people thought so highly of them was because the smashed worlds due to Tourguide and Wind-Up Shark not being legal. I feel like for whatever reason the deck is hyped to way beyond what it should be, it's still somewhat inconsistent and pretty fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 You open Dragonfly, Ladybug, and MST. Raigeki is also nice. Dfly>Lady +2>special Centi>+2>search Mantis> Equip to Dfly>MST Mantis> Special Centi from deck and Ladybug from grave>overlay your two 5s for Shark Fortress> equip Mantis to Ladybug> rekt. It's surprisingly consistent if you go second and your opponent doesn't get something huge on board, which is common since you want to avoid over extending. You can do more shenanigans with Ladybug depending on what you have. Like that Otk I mentioned gets easier with two Axes or if you have a Centipede in grave because you can search two more times.That's still a really lame otk that isn't that consistent if your opponent is actually there playing against you. A lot of decks can put 8000 ATK on the board. Whether or not they can get past everything else with it is a completely different question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Inzektors were never tier 0 or even close to tier 0. In fact, they were the 4th best deck behind Rabbit, Wind-Ups and Chaos Dragons for almost the entire time theyw ere out (think the first few weeks were Chaos Dragon-free). The only reason people thought so highly of them was because the smashed worlds due to Tourguide and Wind-Up Shark not being legal. I feel like for whatever reason the deck is hyped to way beyond what it should be, it's still somewhat inconsistent and pretty fragile. Considering Inzektors were around the time I was still playing pretty commonly, I have to agree with this. I was never a huge competitive player, but I always liked Inzektors and never saw a HUGE issue with them. They could be stupid at times, but I always felt like the other three decks in that meta were superior to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 This should honestly go to 0. Why? Because then it lets Dragonfly move up, and that will vastly improve the deck. Sure, the deck will have to now rely on Ladybug, but who cares; You now have 3 Dragonfly. The day hornet is banned is the day i have to drop the deck sadly I might as well just use cancer dragon infinite.dek if i want rank 5 spam and stuff.... I really like popping a lot of stuff with hornet if you couldn't tell already XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Inzektors main issue was, "you played a card against me!?! Well, you now lost." Which is most definitely the entirely fault of Hornet. Ideally, I'd like to see 0 Hornet and 3 Dragonfly just so the deck can actually be used. It isn't crazy, it doesn't punish your opponent for putting cards on the board, but with the way the Power creep is headed, 3 Dragonfly and 1 Hornet probably wouldn't make too much of a difference anyway. It might put the deck in rogue tier, but it isn't necessarily something you'd be expecting to integrate back into the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The problem was that format generally was like if you set your s/ts, inzektors will pop them and if you hold them, wind ups will discard them so going first was like pray to kevin twat edit: the only safe and accessible place for your cards was banished which says something about the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Nah, you just summon a Laggia and you're laughing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Nah, you just summon a Laggia and you're laughing :)To be fair, the Inzektor and Wind-Up format/formats were pretty fuckin' stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I mean, exactly this is the reason why Inzektors weren't that good that format - they didn't have a powerful T1 play like Chaos Dragons which could cycle through Recharges or auto-win with Future Fusion, Wind-Ups which could loop and Rabbit which could open Laggia 4 backrow and pretty much guarantee a win in any game you can mention. Inzektors can't really do much without the opponent having cards so were always a little bit behind T1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 People slamming TGU don't understand how much of a power play it was in CD, WU, and Rabbit. Like Hornet both on paper and practice cannot trounce the LPD REDMD loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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