.Rai Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/environment/cecil-the-lion http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177303/PICTURED-American-dentist-passion-hunting-killed-Cecil-Lion-bow-arrow-Zimbabwe.html tl;dr Dentist with known history of sports hunting (and a previous indictment related to it) pays $50,000 to hunt a lion (called Cecil, popular with the tourists and locals, and part of a Cambridge research project). Lion is illegally baited by his guides outside of its reserve, where hunting isn't allowed, and shot once with a bow, which doesn't kill. Comes back the next day to shoot it. Claims he believed that the entire operation was legal and fully licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 It is sickening that someone would do this; especially with a research helper that people love, then beheads him for a trophy.Of course, he already got into trouble for shooting a bear where he wasn't supposed to. Needless to say, a lot of people are furious about it + essentially want him dead or to suffer horribly (i.e. get shipped to Middle East and have ISIS do the same thing to him).While yes, I can understand that they are abhorred by what happened, it is rather sickening what people want this guy to be subjected to. Here's one of them (quoted from the second article) 'Nothing in this world would give me greater pleasure than to see your head mounted on a wall, your carcass defiled, degraded and paraded as you did to Cecil and near countless other animals,' That in mind, the guides should've probably known that said lion was a popular one, and part of a study, and told him "don't shoot this one".Additionally, know where they were not supposed to be hunting; the article did say that they were in a reserve somewhere. However, the dentist should've known better since this isn't the first time he got busted for illegal hunting.The fact this was a local icon makes it worse. -----------In a nutshell, Cambridge lost a research subject for studying lions in the wild, Africa lost one of their prized animals and his cubs now face the possibility of death if something goes on and this guy is hiding away somewhere. That, and he makes America look bad now since he killed a local animal favorite overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Dat headline. But yeah, this should obviously result in some heavy legal repercussions and maybe some new legislation to make this more explicitly illegal. But that it's it. The self righteous circlejerk that follows things like this makes me want to gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think legislating this is tricky. Anti-poaching laws have been historically quite difficult to maintain. I just think that was just an incredible waste of money, and of life of a vulnerable species. The witch hunt over this guy is crazy unnecessary. I'd like to just see some more attention brought to conservation campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Needless to say, a lot of people are furious about it + essentially want him dead or to suffer horribly (i.e. get shipped to Middle East and have ISIS do the same thing to him).While yes, I can understand that they are abhorred by what happened, it is rather sickening what people want this guy to be subjected to. Here's one of them (quoted from the second article) pretty sure that the people who say sheet like that arent really serious about it, but still even then it really is unnecessary despite the fact that this guy was illegally hunting and shot a local favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 There are alot of poachers out there. The reserve should beef up security. I think Zambia has a deserve with round the clock armed guard. Maybe adding some cameras round the place could help. But that may be a bit difficult to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 pretty sure that the people who say sheet like that arent really serious about itThat's debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 A lot of people say things like that, but 9.99 times out of 10, those same people would not pull the trigger if given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Wolf Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 People are seriously overreacting to this. Yes someone killed a reserve's favourite lion. Yes it was illegally hunted, but sending death threats and such isn't needed. If it turns out he did indeed know about the status the lion had then some of the threats are indeed okay, but until then all we have to go off are his own words that he was told by his guides that it was okay. PETA reprimanding him doesn't help either, their cause or settling any of this. If PETA want animals to be treated fairly don't ask for someone to get hanged for what could just have ended up being a terrible mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If anything, threatening to resort to violence is the least mature way to approach this. More importantly, it doesn't bring the Lion back to life. I mean, this guy's career is over, and because of the public often resorting to witch hunts before even been given conclusive evidence, and even after the fact that forgiveness is such a rare emotion amongst people seemingly, despite being the most logical way forward, this man probably won't be able to find another job again, not without at least having his name changed. The news uproar about this is almost as disgusting as the event itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is his office. https://i.imgur.com/VwNwhDC.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I honestly just don't get it. Why do people feel personally offended? I guess some people get a rise out of the idea that they're morally superior to someone, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is his office. https://i.imgur.com/VwNwhDC.jpg It shouldn't come as a surprise that people posted that sign on his business + other threats.If I remember correctly, some protester put a picket sign on his lawn, calling him a killer. Even a 10-year old kid voiced her disapproval of this. People are seriously overreacting to this. Yes someone killed a reserve's favourite lion. Yes it was illegally hunted, but sending death threats and such isn't needed. If it turns out he did indeed know about the status the lion had then some of the threats are indeed okay, but until then all we have to go off are his own words that he was told by his guides that it was okay. PETA reprimanding him doesn't help either, their cause or settling any of this. If PETA want animals to be treated fairly don't ask for someone to get hanged for what could just have ended up being a terrible mistake.I agree on the overreacting part.Cecil certainly didn't deserve to die in the fashion that he did, so some degree of protests is acceptable, but crossing the line into death threats and other things is definitely not okay. As for PETA, it certainly wouldn't be their first stint at reprimanding people for killing animals.We kill animals every day for meat/food, and they should know that by now. Indeed, it was a deadly mistake for him; and while there will likely be some consequences for his actions if he knowingly killed the local icon, making death threats is childish (and it'll be even more immature if some vigilantes take things into their own hands + do end up killing him). I quoted an threat someone made towards him in my previous post here, so let's make things clear.Even if you want to take "revenge" for Cecil, subjecting him to the same treatment makes you no better than the dentist in question, if not worse. As Shard mentioned, Cecil isn't going to come back to us even if the dentist is found/charged, and it certainly does nothing for his children who no longer have a father to care for their well-being. Would Cecil be happy that people are threatening to take extreme matters against the person who orchestrated his death in an attempt for vengeance?Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is his office. https://i.imgur.com/VwNwhDC.jpg well gee this just totally isnt in any sort of way overreacting, immature and totally unnecessary. this is just TOTALLY the absolute perfect thing to do when something like this happens. seriously people really need to lay off a bit, its sad that he killed the local favorite but all of this craziness with protests and death threats is really just pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Honestly, what he did is just as bad as somebody brutally murdering another person for their own personal gain... It's understandable why people are angry about this, although I do not feel that way myself towards the killer, as I am not a revenge kind-of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Even the governor of Minnesota(at least I would assume so) denounced this guy and what he did. But yeah, I get people are angry but the threats are not going to help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If it turns out he did indeed know about the status the lion had then some of the threats are indeed okay, but until then all we have to go off are his own words that he was told by his guides that it was okay. He bribed his guides to let him into that part of the reserve. I highly doubt the decision to kill the lion originated from the guides rather than him. While no threat is justifiable, he's still scum of the earth for doing it. I feel no sympathy to him for whatever may happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Wolf Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 He bribed his guides to let him into that part of the reserve. I highly doubt the decision to kill the lion originated from the guides rather than him. While no threat is justifiable, he's still scum of the earth for doing it. I feel no sympathy to him for whatever may happen.My bad, misread. Still he doesn't deserve what he is getting. I don't agree with his actions but overall I couldn't really care less about the lion. He still is the father of two and needs to get an income so sending him death threats does hinder that. If he really did know how famous the lion was then yes he does deserve some of the threats. But until more evidence comes to light not much can happen. Though I do take issue with how they went about it, leaving it for hours wounded is cruel, if you are going to kill something just kill it quickly, if you fail with the first shot, shot it again. Just cause it isn't human doesn't mean you can leave it to bleed out for hours. If it was your own animal and it was wounded, and a vet couldn't help would you leave it like that for a unnecessary amount of time before finally killing it. Though at least he did kill it, heard of some stories where the hunter just leaves the prey wounded enough so it could die then leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 "The issue is he lured a protected (collared and tracked for species preservation purposes) animal off of a reservation to shoot it, track it while it bled for 40 hours. finally to shoot it in the head, decapitate it, skin it, and leave the caracas to rot unused in the desert. All of this on top of the underlying issue that African lions will be extinct by 2050 if the rates of decline continue, which certainly won't be helped by the fact that now almost all of his 24 lion cubs will most likely die." Some guy on fb said this, and he basically took the words out of my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 This is weird of me to say, but events like this make me wonder what would happen if we humans and the relatively few animal species we domesticate for food/pleasure/etc. were the only animals left on the planet. Would we better or worse off for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Wolf Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 This is weird of me to say, but events like this make me wonder what would happen if we humans and the relatively few animal species we domesticate for food/pleasure/etc. were the only animals left on the planet. Would we better or worse off for it?Probably worse off due to the fact ecosystems wouldn't be able to function properly. If that wasn't a problem then it probably would be the same as it is now just with less deaths from animal transmitted diseases and attacks. It is hard to say how it could turn out but remove predatory animals form the ecosystem and you have to pay people to make sure wild grazing animals don't overpopulated the area leading to food shortage. It's the circle of life. Now I want to watch Lion King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Honestly, what he did is just as bad as somebody brutally murdering another person for their own personal gain... Why are you comparing murder to an animal killing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Why are you comparing murder to an animal killing? In reality, they're basically the same thing, just with different species. "Murder" is the killing of someone in our own species, so it has bigger implications by default. When you also factor in that we often have to kill other species to survive, then it makes sense we find it much easier to disregard something like this, as long as it's not a human victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 In reality, they're basically the same thing, just with different species. So they're not the same thing. Ergo, you can't compare this to a murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 So they're not the same thing. Ergo, you can't compare this to a murder. Mind explaining this line of reasoning a bit further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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