BlackBeartic Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0iTd7roOE I personally think they got buffed a bit. With trishula back it really helps the deck get a push on things (and kill the hand and grave). However I never really thought much of them recently since I haven't used them, but this video here made me remember why I had so much fun using them. Of course there are probably some new cards that i haven't noticed that probably help the deck, but Trish is the one that pretty much stood out to me because they have a way of making the card in their deck (alongside other good synchros like Beast and Barkion. I believe if you tried hard enough you could make quasar with the deck but idk if that's really needed). Overall I think it might be one of the better rogue decks (if not the best?) as of now. What about you guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Minimania - Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The video is gone Just because X-Sabers get trish doesn't mean they're the best rogue deck. with that logic, Lavals are the best rogue deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The video is gone Just because X-Sabers get trish doesn't mean they're the best rogue deck. with that logic, Lavals are the best rogue deckYeah I noticed he reuploaded it so i'll put the new link. Tbh I don't know that many more rogue decks so excuse me if i'm a little lacking on that. Trish is still good for them though (as it is for any deck). Although you're probably right on them not being the best rogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just because X-Sabers get trish doesn't mean they're the best rogue deck. with that logic, Lavals are the best rogue deck Laval Volcanics does work. It just suffers from fragility on its power plays and an ahem, non-negligible chance to brick.... X-Sabers are basically Blackwings. They spam for the kill. I don't think Trishula as a monster does enough for any deck to suddenly make it relevant (unless they can loop it somehow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Lots of rogue decks can make Trish. In fact most of them make it more easily than the meta decks. X-Sabers are fun and they're the one of the styles I enjoy playing. They start with slow advantage gain and resource gathering and then they explode. They probably are one of the strongest rogue decks along with Blackwings, since they are both at pretty much full power since they were last meta. X-Sabers got the Darksoul ruling change, which really sucks, but apart form that they have everything they had in 2010 and more. Blackwings are the same. I haven't tested it yet, but I also think T.G. Agent might be one of the best rogue decks, because of it's ability to make Trish and the fact Gachi Gachi is actually good against other rogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 They're nowhere near full power. A lot of their wins were stolen by Cold Wave and Trunade. There are so many good rogue decks atm that I don't really know which is the best, probably Madolche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I still think karakuri is better than x-sabers and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Minimania - Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The topic is on X-Sabers. And actually it's a pretty good deck. Getting Trish back is kind of cool, but I disagree that it is the bbest rogue deck. I find that it's really easy to say that every rogue deck that can play tuners got buffed with this. Just think about it. It isn't that hard to play Glow-Up Bulb in something like Tinplate Gadgets to get a free Trishula off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Oh yeah, forgot about Madolche, they're almost definitely the best rogue. And I wasn't saying Sabers were at full power. Obviously losing Cold Wave in particular hurt the deck a lot, but they still have every archetype card @3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kyo- Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 what's a rouge deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If I got this right, a deck that isn't meta, yet still is very capable of winning games despite not being one of the top decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kyo- Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If I got this right, a deck that isn't meta, yet still is very capable of winning games despite not being one of the top decks.i see,that does seem very rougeish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Lots of rogue decks can make Trish. In fact most of them make it more easily than the meta decks. X-Sabers are fun and they're the one of the styles I enjoy playing. They start with slow advantage gain and resource gathering and then they explode. They probably are one of the strongest rogue decks along with Blackwings, since they are both at pretty much full power since they were last meta. X-Sabers got the Darksoul ruling change, which really sucks, but apart form that they have everything they had in 2010 and more. Blackwings are the same. I haven't tested it yet, but I also think T.G. Agent might be one of the best rogue decks, because of it's ability to make Trish and the fact Gachi Gachi is actually good against other rogues.Just curious what is the darksoul ruling change as I didn't play back then. You said it sucked so I assume it was a change for the worst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just curious what is the darksoul ruling change as I didn't play back then. You said it sucked so I assume it was a change for the worst? If I remember correctly, it was changed to check each darksoul card for whether or not it was sent to the grave that turn, not how many times it was sent. For example: Let's say I sent Darksoul A to the graveyard twice that turn and Darksoul B three times that turn. under the old ruling, you'd search five times. Under the new ruling, you'd only search twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If I remember correctly, it was changed to check each darksoul card for whether or not it was sent to the grave that turn, not how many times it was sent. For example: Let's say I sent Darksoul A to the graveyard twice that turn and Darksoul B three times that turn. under the old ruling, you'd search five times. Under the new ruling, you'd only search twice.This makes me sad... Wow... tbh I would love the old ruling to be current Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why do people think that ability to make Trish suddenly makes a deck good? We're not in a one card format. Also why do we argue what "rogue" decks are better or worse? Rogue decks are tier 4, they might steal wins because of unprepared field/element of surprise, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why do people think that ability to make Trish suddenly makes a deck good? We're not in a one card format. Also why do we argue what "rogue" decks are better or worse? Rogue decks are tier 4, they might steal wins because of unprepared field/element of surprise, but that's it.If the format changes drastically for whatever reason, rogue has the potential to become the new tier 2-3. And it isn't like such a discussion hurts anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If the format changes drastically for whatever reason, rogue has the potential to become the new tier 2-3. And it isn't like such a discussion hurts anyone.Thing is this format barely changed. I don't get why you're seeing it that way. I asked a question regarding the current topic, so if anything, I'm advancing the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Thing is this format barely changed. I don't get why you're seeing it that way. I asked a question regarding the current topic, so if anything, I'm advancing the discussion.The format has barely changed. You are completely correct. My statement was regarding the future. Keeping an eye on rogue decks (notably madolche, blackwing/x-saber, and something weird like gem knight) helps us figure out things that ALMOST have the potential to be relevant. As new cards or released, and new banlists come out, these decks get a chance to matter. tl;dr rogue decks don't matter now but have a chance of mattering in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The format has barely changed. You are completely correct. My statement was regarding the future. Keeping an eye on rogue decks (notably madolche, blackwing/x-saber, and something weird like gem knight) helps us figure out things that ALMOST have the potential to be relevant. As new cards or released, and new banlists come out, these decks get a chance to matter. tl;dr rogue decks don't matter now but have a chance of mattering in the future.But then you can't say which is better and which is worse. Yeah, archetype X might look more potent than archetype Y, but who knows how will the meta change next format? Maybe Y will be more favored despite being worse on paper than X? That's why categorizing non-meta decks is kinda silly because their power level is heavily up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 There is also the matter of which rogue deck is the best to play currently, due to budget or meta-hating purposes, though to be perfectly honest I think volcanics cost less than a lot of rogue decks to build, simply because it doesn't need a trish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 There is also the matter of which rogue deck is the best to play currently, due to budget or meta-hating purposes, though to be perfectly honest I think volcanics cost less than a lot of rogue decks to build, simply because it doesn't need a trish.Yeah, the budget argument falls apart the moment you realize Volcanics are incredibly cheap (they don't even need the extra deck really) and are a genuinely good deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think Volcanics are too legit good to be a rogue deck. They cost a fortune though (L1T) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think Volcanics are too legit good to be a rogue deck. They cost a fortune though (L1T)Well yeah, but aside from L1T, they don't look expensive. Well, I don't know prices, but I feel they might be cheaper than a lot of things. Basically what I mean is that they can be competitive with just the maindeck list, while other things also need an Extra Deck full of good cards to have a chance to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 X-Sabers having Trish doesn't make them good. It just means X-Sabers have access to Trish now. But unfortunately, they've been power-creeped out of the game now because why would leave an ED monster on the field during the End Phase when the Archetype heavily spams Synchros/maybe possibly Xyzs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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