Βyakuya Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 ...meh. I'll just use my Super Ninjitsu or regular with Hanzo to get Apex Avian or White Dragon Ninja instead. I don't want to risk my slow, control-based Ninja strategy by putting dumb gimmicks like these 2 Ninjas in my deck. The investment into trying to retain Hanzo and backrow is enough, not some Rank 4 spam. These weren't buffed that much from the anime so why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Guys, my point is that it's still an idea. I'm not trying to make this super-competitive or say that this combo is the end-all need-all.I'm basically just spitballing and throwing out that this is a potential play you could do.Is that too much to ask? For me to discuss ways to use the card?Does every potential combo always have to be optimized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Does every potential combo always have to be optimized?Uh, yes? Why would you willingly play with bad cards/suboptimal combos? inb4B-But muh casual decks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Uh, yes? Why would you willingly play with bad cards/suboptimal combos? inb4B-But muh casual decks! Because pulling them off could be, whisper it, fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Because pulling them off could be, whisper it, fun.Oh, pulling off alright. Don't get me wrong, my favorite deck in the world is funking Possessed Dark Soul Control. But there's a line between FUN decks and BAD decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Oh, pulling off alright. Don't get me wrong, my favorite deck in the world is f***ing Possessed Dark Soul Control. But there's a line between FUN decks and BAD decks. Having 2 cards out of 40 or more that together make 1 conditional and unlikely yet fun to accomplish play, that can have relative usability independently, doesn't make the whole deck bad just by being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Having 2 cards out of 40 or more that together make 1 conditional and unlikely yet fun to accomplish play, that can have relative usability independently, doesn't make the whole deck bad just by being there.That's treading the heart of the cards territory. Sure, you will have this one game when it actually works in the situation where you need it. If you're willing to dead draw the cards in 100 other games, then I can't really stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 That's treading the heart of the cards territory. Sure, you will have this one game when it actually works in the situation where you need it. If you're willing to dead draw the cards in 100 other games, then I can't really stop you. So a normal Ninja deck which has these 2 cards added is bad straight off the bat. EAN at the very least means Ninjitsu Art of Transformation can potentially bring out level 8s, and Gogetsu can do its Xyz making thing whenever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 So a normal Ninja deck which has these 2 cards added is bad straight off the bat. EAN at the very least means Ninjitsu Art of Transformation can potentially bring out level 8s, and Gogetsu can do its Xyz making thing whenever.Once again: did I say you're running a bad deck then? No, but removing 2 solid cards for 2 mediocre cards for the small chance of drawing them in a needed situation does make your deck worse. You're not playing a bad deck, but for sure a worse one than you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Once again: did I say you're running a bad deck then? No, but removing 2 solid cards for 2 mediocre cards for the small chance of drawing them in a needed situation does make your deck worse. You're not playing a bad deck, but for sure a worse one than you could. I wouldn't use EAN at all if I was making the deck, just saying that if you were to use it it's not completely dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I wouldn't use EAN at all if I was making the deck, just saying that if you were to use it it's not completely dead.That's a contradiction. If you're not gonna use it, it means you don't believe it's useful. So trying to make any point about "what if" gets rendered completly moot by your own disbelief in the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 That's a contradiction. If you're not gonna use it, it means you don't believe it's useful. So trying to make any point about "what if" gets rendered completly moot by your own disbelief in the card. I never said it's not useful, I said I wouldn't choose it over other cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I never said it's not useful, I said I wouldn't choose it over other cards.Means you can't justify running it above anything else. Trying to grasp at straws to show how a bad card can be useful is just silly. It's like coming up with impossible scenarios to prove a card isn't strictly better than another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Means you can't justify running it above anything else. Trying to grasp at straws to show how a bad card can be useful is just silly. It's like coming up with impossible scenarios to prove a card isn't strictly better than another one. I can justify running it above Key Mace but I wouldn't run Key Mace in Ninjas. Its uses do not outnumber the amount of times it will not be useful and so I would choose not to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I can justify running it above Key Mace but I wouldn't run Key Mace in Ninjas. Its uses do not outnumber the amount of times it will not be useful and so I would choose not to run it.Do you seriously have to grasp at straws in your arguments? I'm literally done here. Peace. Consider you won, if it somehow matters to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Do you seriously have to grasp at straws in your arguments? I'm literally done here. Peace. Consider you won, if it somehow matters to you. I'm not grasping at straws because I'm not making any argument in favour of the card, I'm saying that I wouldn't use it in the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 itt: im going to use sirocco in my bw deck because that one time i dueled someone and he had thunder king rai oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 itt: im going to use sirocco in my bw deck because that one time i dueled someone and he had thunder king rai oh I wouldn't use Earth ArmourI wouldn't use EAN at all if I was making the deckI wouldn't choose it over other cards.Its uses do not outnumber the amount of times it will not be useful and so I would choose not to run it.I wouldn't use it in the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Honestly, what ninjas need is a level 4 cydra, or an unexpected dai kinda deal to really make the best use of this. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 ITT: Big discussions about garbage combos.Okay so.I can sum this thread up sooo quickly.CotH/Oasis is best way to get getsuga out. Also, klavs just stop being a tourneyfag arsehole that just spouts condensing wisdom, I mean come on klavs we've spoken about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 ITT: Big discussions about garbage combos.Okay so.I can sum this thread up sooo quickly.CotH/Oasis is best way to get getsuga out. Also, klavs just stop being a tourneyfag arsehole that just spouts condensing wisdom, I mean come on klavs we've spoken about this.Sorry, how dare I apply critical and logical thinking to a cardgame. I'm a scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 ok so call may be the best way to get Getusha out but how do you get it into the grave?Trade In? what else are you going to use then?do you want to risk dead drawing trade ins or unnecessary level 8s?well maybe you are going to run karma cuts and pwwb's? but you will need to run a lot of both the trap and getsuga in order to draw them both, and then you are stuck constantly minusing a lot in the duel since ninja stuff doesnt really work in the graveyard. The only other possible way was Lavaval Chain but that is banned now, and even then drawing it would be bad.After figuring out that no, summoning it from the Graveyard is not the best, lets try and make use of the summon 1 by tributing 1. Since you can only Normal Summon Once in a turn we will probably need to have ninjas in grave and be able to call of the haunted then or sonething similar. So lets say last turn we had summoned Upstart, ditched a trapand got a Hanzo, and searched Upstart which is very likely. You use Call/Oasis on Hanzo, search Getsuga, summon Getsuga get Hanzo and Upstart, search again lets say Upstart. And now you have a beater in defense and 2 lv4 Ninjas and 2 Upstatts that you have no use for this turn.When you could of for example, used Call got Hanzo searched Upstart, summoned Upstart used eff to grab Hanzo, searched Upstart and had 3 lv4s, and you would pretty much have a similar field etc without having to run a card that you could dead draw. Looking at it, its not THAT bad, as one of it could be alright but is it really something s going to change the deck and makeit any better? probably not. Unless there is some powerful way to make you Getsuga in def useful I dont really see it as a powerful play. obviously being able to re use it every turn is nice but you will run out of targets for hanzo to abuse with and other decks can spam out rank 4s just as good, and it also depends on you keeping Getsuga alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 You dont need it in grave.... You can just CotH Hanzo and tribute summon it. Then, once it's in the grave, it becomes even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 From doing actual testing with this thing, I will attest that while this doesn't allow you to do too many new things, it does allow for speed and some great pluses. Your best bet is to go for the combo I posted yesterday, set some backrow, and let them try to deal with Plieades (or Raff in the OCG) and your 2-3 backrow. Basically the big change with the Deck you'd have to make is a closer focus on Upstart and keeping your consistency together. I have tried Magic Planter and Trade In, the latter is suboptimal and the former is good enough to run. I am currently trying Sacred Swords combined with focusing on Lv7 Transformation targets and also trying minimizing the Transformation engine and focusing on other backrow options. My conclusion though is Getsuga is definitely a good card, but it doesn't allow you to do a lot that you couldn't already do. It just sort of holds some glue together. It's not a Tier 1 Deck, but I would highly recommend it as a budget option when these come out. Raid Raptors might be the best description for how good the Deck is. Keep in mind though we still have other Ninja supports, including at least one more monster (The 2 Ninjas had numbers in between each other). That leaves a lot of room for things to be provided or options to be delivered. However, I feel satisfied with the Deck we have now, and am glad we have Getsuga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 my biggest problem with getsuga is there isnt much good stuff to search with ur ssed hanzos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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