TX James Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Lore:1 Tuner + 1 or more Non Tuner Machine MonstersWhen this card attacks, it gains ATK equal to the ATK of the attack target, during damage calculation only. When this attacks a defence position monster, inflict piercing damage to your opponent. This monster cannot attack your opponent directly. Sorry for the mass of new cards from me recently, here's anotherAs always, all feedback welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 There's the integrated Honest effect, but only when attacking and it has 2500 atk, same as Dark Rebellion who serves a similar purpose. The damage dealt will be the same as Dark Rebellion, although this has some further utility of being another Towers breaker and hitting other unaffected cards. I think it's pretty good as is considering how vulnerable it is after the first turn that it's out, much like many powerful, generic R4 xyz. Didn't even realize that it's not generic. Now it feels underpowered. Making it generic probably won't break it. It would be played in almost any deck that can make it, but it won't be busted since it has no protection and requires the battle phase to do its work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 It pushes really damn hard, and is a towers out, but I can't think of a single deck that can summon it. Maybe Qli teching Ghost Bunny, but that is situational anyway.I'm not comfortable with this as generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think it can get away with being generic if it targets the monster. I mean, it's already attack-only, so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Symphonic Warriors, Speedroids and generally any deck that has machines and at least one Tuner. How did you manage to think of Qlis teching Ghost Bunny? o.OI'm pretty comfortable with it being generic because there are generic R4 Xyz monsters that are far more overpowered than this guy. Utopia the Lightning and Castel, for example. If this became true, even Synchro decks that rely mostly on monsters with stats in the 2000 range will be able to kill Towers, which up until then unfairly annihilates anything that doesn't use Moon Mirror Shield or monsters with 3500+ ATK. Maybe it will be the time when Qliphorts finally die for good.This is advanced cards, so I judged it based on the metagame. That is literally the difference between Casual and Advanced. And broken exclusives don't justify cards that are too good. And Toyo is right. Targeting balances it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Being Advanced Cards doesn't mean that you can't make cards for anything that isn't tier 1. Targeting balances it... around what? It still kills Towers.And this isn't too good. If it is, then around half of the 2-mat Rank 4 Xyz monsters that came out recently are too good. This is actually weaker overall than Castel or Utopia the Lightning.it would be too good if it was generic, which was the entire point of the thread. also, you cannot compare Xyzs to Synchros really. they are two very different things. castel is an answer card, it is not broken. it's simply something that gives decks access to cards they normally cannot remove. UTL on the other hand just plain doesnt exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 This pushes for 500 more than castel. You have no clue how relevant that 500 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Considering that this new format seems to be geared towards OTK and control strategiesYeah, this isn't the case. Literally one deck is capable of reliable OTK, and even then you are just overextending quite often. Please try to get a better handle on the format before making such assertions, for the sake of proper discussion of design choices and what affects them.And, since it seems you are unaware, Utopia the Lightning is an OCG exclusive. This means that it has no impact on the metagame, which is the standard for Advanced Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I don't know where it's said that AC is only about the TCG metagame, but my point about Castel being better than this guy in almost all cases still stands.No. It does not. This pushes for 500 more, and can continue to do so every turn. A much better comparison would be DRXD. And extra damage, even for small values, means a lot. Look at the success of Barbar, Cephalopod, Nothung, and Cowboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 @Skip: I'll just come in and clarify the difference between the two sections (albeit quickly, because it's late at night). For clarification purposes, Advanced Cards is for stuff that's intended to work in the current gamestate, whatever that may be nowadays.We factor in OCG cards as they come along, yes, but mostly whatever exists in the TCG card pool. If you want a card graded without regards to the competitive world, then use Casual Cards, which is right above this one. (The forum description should've mentioned that Advanced Cards deals with the metagame. How could you miss that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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