PSY-Framelord Omega

[ihop]

 

So the guy who not only won but was completely untouchable for the entire of YCS Dallas (dunno how many games he actually lost, but he won all his feature matches 2-0) had this as one of the main plays in his Infernoids. The synergy is obvious - Decatron's level modulation means there's a whole variety of ways to summon it, not to mention Raiden+Patrulea which is pretty common as well. Returning a banished card is obviously great for Infernoids, and the card in general is just excellent - his feature matches were full of clever used of Omega's effect, in particular chaining to a Goodwitch to banish his opponent's only Kozmo. It's a very solid card in general, and absolutely fantastic for Infernoid.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's been a thing in OCG for ages. Void Dream? ( the Future Fusion One) pitch Elder God N'tss and this, pop some cards and start all over. Sorry hop, TCG is late to this party

[Wildflame]

It's been a thing in OCG for ages. Void Dream? ( the Future Fusion One) pitch Elder God N'tss and this, pop some cards and start all over. Sorry hop, TCG is late to this party

 

Yeah, but that's not really how it was used in the deck. Guy didn't even run Dream/Tierra.

[ihop]

It's been a thing in OCG for ages. Void Dream? ( the Future Fusion One) pitch Elder God N'tss and this, pop some cards and start all over. Sorry hop, TCG is late to this party

 

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[Maeriberii Haan]

Yeah, but that's not really how it was used in the deck. Guy didn't even run Dream/Tierra.

Pretty much this.

 

Also why do you even make it special that OCG do things first. Like it's pretty much a "duh of course" thing already.

 

Talk about it when you guys don't have several months ahead on card releases.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Pretty much this.

 

Also why do you even make it special that OCG do things first. Like it's pretty much a "duh of course" thing already.

 

Talk about it when you guys don't have several months ahead on card releases.

Well I'm a TCG player...I just don't see the fuss. Infernoids have been topping for ages since Omega and N'tss came out, yet people think this something special...

 

Dream isn't run since we haven't gotten N'tss yet. 

 

This isn't Tele-Grandsoil or something truly creative, it's a solid konami constructed deck that did well, stop overhyping it. You have a deck full of Rulers that can double as DD Crow when they feel like it...is anyone supervised? Add no Djinn into that equation

 

Now for Omega, it's one of the best Synchro's created due to being able to recycle cards that are otherwise wanted in the deck in an avariceless world

[ihop]

Well I'm a TCG player...I just don't see the fuss. Infernoids have been topping for ages since Omega and N'tss came out, yet people think this something special...

 

Dream isn't run since we haven't gotten N'tss yet. 

 

Presumably the "fuss" is about the fact that a deck that hasn't ever done any better than top 32 at a major event went 16-0, something almost unheard of, all because of one new card that was released which wasn't even on most peoples' radars. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

on most peoples' radars. 

 

This is the problem, your radar's are defective as f***. 16-0 is extraordinarily impressive, the fact that nobody expected Infernoids to perform on the other hand isn't 

 

DD Burial is limited for a reason, did you REALLY not see how good this card would be? Don't pass of ignorance as some great innovation 

[Maeriberii Haan]

This is the problem, your radar's are defective as funk. 16-0 is extraordinarily impressive, the fact that nobody expected Infernoids to perform on the other hand isn't 

 

in OCG it doesn't even top -that- much with Omega so the difference is not too visible. And once again, different format, different things going on with it.

 

And I mean with the general TCG big tournaments lasting more round-wise compared to OCG tournaments, a semi-unstable deck like Infernoid usually will have less prominence than in OCG anyway.

 

There's a lot of reason why this is a surprise.

 

Whether it keeps up or not in future showing is another thing entirely but it really just shows how much of an impact Omega has in TCG even with the usage that has nothing to do with how OCG used it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

in OCG it doesn't even top -that- much with Omega so the difference is not too visible. And once again, different format, different things going on with it.

 

And I mean with the general TCG big tournaments lasting more round-wise compared to OCG tournaments, a semi-unstable deck like Infernoid usually will have less prominence than in OCG anyway.

 

There's a lot of reason why this is a surprise.

 

Whether it keeps up or not in future showing is another thing entirely but it really just shows how much of an impact Omega has in TCG even with the usage that has nothing to do with how OCG used it.

Fair, but did nobody really see that it basically has the effect of a limited card? I'm waiting for someone to break Zombie decks with this. Or chaos decks. It does so funking much, I'm personally not surprised that the Infernoids topped eventually. 

[Maeriberii Haan]

It's a really damn good generic card, yeah.

 

I mean it's a 2800 WU Rabbit that temporarily kills a card in your opponent's hand that also can recycle things from banished and has a strong disruption effect once it dies.

 

And that's not getting into the interactions it have with other stuffs.

[Expelsword]

Card is obviously good for every reason already said and the fact that you only ever need one.

After reviewing the Infernoid deck profile, I think this card gave him a definitive edge. He said he never lost a game where he summoned it, and everyone had to stop to read it. His opponents were clearly unprepared for it this time, but he may not be able to pull quite as many shenanigans in the future...

Still, nice to see a not bad player play the deck.

 

I don't even know how this does in PSYFrames, but I would hope it's good there too.

[Lonk]

Omega is flat-out amazing.  Anyone who even tried this card out can see it.  I pestered people to play this card in the Extra Deck whenever possible because it is just that good.  If the hand disruption and banish recovery isn't good enough, then the grave disruption/recovery on top of a 2800 ATK beater should give more reasoning for its use.

[goodfusion]

I don't even know how this does in PSYFrames, but I would hope it's good there too.

 

Yeah it is good there. The basic combo is to summon a PSY-Framegear and PSY-Frame Driver and use the effect of the PSY-Frame Circuit to make a Level 7 or 8 Synchro. Both Zeta and Omega have great synergy with the PSY-Framegears because you must control no monsters to summon them, so you can temporarily remove them from the field to continue negating stuff and making plays. The return a banished to the Graveyard effect is just brilliant as it allows you to reuse PSY-Frame Overload's search as well as getting any banished Drivers back into the Graveyard.

[Ultravires]

Yeah, but that's not really how it was used in the deck. Guy didn't even run Dream/Tierra.

 

Void Dream/Tierra are fuking awful.

 

This is the problem, your radar's are defective as f***. 16-0 is extraordinarily impressive, the fact that nobody expected Infernoids to perform on the other hand isn't 

 

DD Burial is limited for a reason, did you REALLY not see how good this card would be? Don't pass of ignorance as some great innovation 

 

Allegedly, his win had less to do with Omega being clutch and more to do with a multitude of infractions he engaged in throughout the day that went unnoticed all the way until top 8.

 

[Expelsword]

Void Dream/Tierra are fuking awful.

Allegedly, his win had less to do with Omega being clutch and more to do with a multitude of infractions he engaged in throughout the day that went unnoticed all the way until top 8.

 

They aren't quite that bad, but they're quickly falling from favor.

Expound on these supposed "infractions" please. I had just begun to accept his victory as legitimate.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

They aren't quite that bad, but they're quickly falling from favor.

Expound on these supposed "infractions" please. I had just begun to accept his victory as legitimate.

I mean, TCG is currently missing half the puzzle piece that makes Dream good in N'tss

 

Recent topping version. 

[Ultravires]

They aren't quite that bad, but they're quickly falling from favor.

Expound on these supposed "infractions" please. I had just begun to accept his victory as legitimate.

 

Supposedly he's been "playtesting the deck since day 1" according to people at his locals, but he allegedly did the following all the way up until top 8:

 

Tributed to banish cards from the opponent's grave on his turn.

Summoned with 9 stars on the board (Decatron sending Onuncu, etc.).

Activated Tribute effects not in the same chain as when they were Breakthroughed that turn.

Hit Chaos Hunter off Reasoning when they chained Retaliating "C", and didn't banish his cards.

Sent cards to the grave for Reasoning when Vanity's was chained.

 

The only two that were confirmed were the last two. The Chaos Hunter thing I know for a fact was not addressed by the Head Judge until top 8.

 

I'm not saying he did cheat, but some of this comes from pretty reliable people including judge staff. If he did cheat, he deserved the Minerva for going 32 funking games without getting caught, man is a goddamn magician.

[Aman Indra]

Supposedly he's been "playtesting the deck since day 1" according to people at his locals, but he allegedly did the following all the way up until top 8:

 

Tributed to banish cards from the opponent's grave on his turn.

Summoned with 9 stars on the board (Decatron sending Onuncu, etc.).

Activated Tribute effects not in the same chain as when they were Breakthroughed that turn.

Hit Chaos Hunter off Reasoning when they chained Retaliating "C", and didn't banish his cards.

Sent cards to the grave for Reasoning when Vanity's was chained.

 

The only two that were confirmed were the last two. The Chaos Hunter thing I know for a fact was not addressed by the Head Judge until top 8.

 

I'm not saying he did cheat, but some of this comes from pretty reliable people including judge staff. If he did cheat, he deserved the Minerva for going 32 f***ing games without getting caught, man is a goddamn magician.

Omega turned out to be a great tech , didnt expect infernoids to go 16-0 at very least. Cheat skill are off the roof xd

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Omega turned out to be a great tech , didnt expect infernoids to go 16-0 at very least.

Did you even read what you quoted?

[Expelsword]

Supposedly he's been "playtesting the deck since day 1" according to people at his locals, but he allegedly did the following all the way up until top 8:

 

Tributed to banish cards from the opponent's grave on his turn.

Summoned with 9 stars on the board (Decatron sending Onuncu, etc.).

Activated Tribute effects not in the same chain as when they were Breakthroughed that turn.

Hit Chaos Hunter off Reasoning when they chained Retaliating "C", and didn't banish his cards.

Sent cards to the grave for Reasoning when Vanity's was chained.

 

I assume you mean with low levels. That's pretty inexcusable if true, he should know better (and so should his opponents)

Yeah, that's a pretty bad misplay

You can activate the effects in that case, they just won't banish anything. That's also on his opponent to remember though.

These last two events are huge though, and if reversed could have easily cost him a game, although I have a feeling part of the confusion may have to do with TCG vs. OCG. I see people claim all the time that you still get the mills on Vanity Reasoning (though I have never believed it to be true)

 

Infernoids have a lot to keep track of, so I honestly never expect anyone will play them perfectly, but if he really claims to be a Day 1 player, he should probably play better than that... :(

[ihop]

Supposedly he's been "playtesting the deck since day 1" according to people at his locals, but he allegedly did the following all the way up until top 8:

 

Tributed to banish cards from the opponent's grave on his turn.

Summoned with 9 stars on the board (Decatron sending Onuncu, etc.).

Activated Tribute effects not in the same chain as when they were Breakthroughed that turn.

Hit Chaos Hunter off Reasoning when they chained Retaliating "C", and didn't banish his cards.

Sent cards to the grave for Reasoning when Vanity's was chained.

 

The only two that were confirmed were the last two. The Chaos Hunter thing I know for a fact was not addressed by the Head Judge until top 8.

 

I'm not saying he did cheat, but some of this comes from pretty reliable people including judge staff. If he did cheat, he deserved the Minerva for going 32 funking games without getting caught, man is a goddamn magician.

 

To be honest if he really did all that and got away with it he deserves the Minerva because everyone else he played is thick as pig sheet.

 

edit: also wtf I swear literally every Infernoid player does this. The guy who went 9-0 at our Nats before Decatron tributed his little guys during his turn all the time, and my friend who went to Euros playing Infernoids said he was going to do it as well. Are people really just that dense?

[Ultravires]

To be honest if he really did all that and got away with it he deserves the Minerva because everyone else he played is thick as pig s***.

 

edit: also wtf I swear literally every Infernoid player does this. The guy who went 9-0 at our Nats before Decatron tributed his little guys during his turn all the time, and my friend who went to Euros playing Infernoids said he was going to do it as well. Are people really just that dense?

 

I know all about Karl Blake, that sheet was egregious.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I assume you mean with low levels. That's pretty inexcusable if true, he should know better (and so should his opponents)

Yeah, that's a pretty bad misplay

You can activate the effects in that case, they just won't banish anything. That's also on his opponent to remember though.

These last two events are huge though, and if reversed could have easily cost him a game, although I have a feeling part of the confusion may have to do with TCG vs. OCG. I see people claim all the time that you still get the mills on Vanity Reasoning (though I have never believed it to be true)

 

Infernoids have a lot to keep track of, so I honestly never expect anyone will play them perfectly, but if he really claims to be a Day 1 player, he should probably play better than that... :(

OCG you just don't get the mill/excavation. I don't see how that's an excuse

[Ultravires]

OCG you just don't get the mill/excavation. I don't see how that's an excuse

 

Same rule applies in the TCG, you aren't supposed to even excavate but this wasn't caught all day. I mean, everything he was accused of is something a good player would have pointed out and not allowed to happen, so it was just as much his opponent's fault as his own. Which is sad in a way, since you get blamed for your opponent pulling one over on you when you should be able to assume your opponent isn't cheating, but that's YGO. I assume everyone I play against cheats and keep an eye out for it.