[SHVI] Ruri Raptor - The Ultimate Ruri

[~British Soul~]

I actually had to look at the anime effect to see how it was buffed. In any case despite its buff it won't see much play when there are cards that do what this does but for less effort.

[heraldry_lord]

I actually had to look at the anime effect to see how it was buffed. In any case despite its buff it won't see much play when there are cards that do what this does but for less effort.

 

The one draw this has is its effect immunity, and while it can be worked around, it does make me consider trying it out.

[~British Soul~]

 

 

The one draw this has is its effect immunity, and while it can be worked around, it does make me consider trying it out.

There's no denying that it's something that will be tested, but I do think it'll be dropped from most builds in the long run.

[heraldry_lord]

There's no denying that it's something that will be tested, but I do think it'll be dropped from most builds in the long run.

 

That's a good possibility.

 

I've seen talk of it being an Xyz Universe target; thoughts?

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

The only ways you can summon this require using cards that are not good, like Death Double and Satellite Cannon Falcon. You'd need to build around it which limits your options straight off. Xyz Universe is a thing that exists and could be cool to do with an opponent's CDI and your own Strix or something but that's getting really into wombo combo stuff and not an optimal route.

[Aman Indra]

For a optimal and standard raidraptor build............no...

For a gimmicky boss in a fun tech induced RR build......hell yeah

 

The investment is too high but you get good value for your buck in the end, kinda weird that this monster wants me to take the "rank-up inconsistent route" instead of good and standard "r4 and rr/universe spam"

[heraldry_lord]

The only ways you can summon this require using cards that are not good, like Death Double and Satellite Cannon Falcon. You'd need to build around it which limits your options straight off. Xyz Universe is a thing that exists and could be cool to do with an opponent's CDI and your own Strix or something but that's getting really into wombo combo stuff and not an optimal route.

 

Again, you don't need Death when you have Last Strix, and no, I don't think Last Strix is absolutely terrible.  It's not OMG-so-amazing, but it's not terrible either IMO. 

 

As far as deck dedication goes, you're giving up at least two Extra Deck slots and at least 2 Main Deck slots for this.

 

RRs need a good RUM searcher for all of this to come together; I acknowledge that much.

[~British Soul~]

That's a good possibility.

 

I've seen talks of it being an Xyz Universe target; Thoughts?

I forgot Xyz Universe was a thing, but even then It's not likely to be brought out by it though.

[Toffee.]

5$ says they do something silly and give us a Rank-Up card that turns any Xyz into aby Raptor Xyz

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

Again, you don't need Death when you have Last Strix, and no, I don't think Last Strix is absolutely terrible.  It's not OMG-so-amazing, but it's not terrible either IMO. 

 

As far as deck dedication goes, you're giving up at least two Extra Deck slots and at least 2 Main Deck slots for this.

 

RRs need a good RUM searcher for all of this to come together; I acknowledge that much.

 

Last Strix is not good though, it really is not worth using just on the off chance you can use it to get this out because even doing that this is only going to have 1 material and the Zerofyne effect is the main draw aside from the immunity. And then you can't even hurt your opponent the turn you do it which is something this wants you to do.

 

And if we do get a good RUM searcher, you'll want to be using it on Soul Shave Force rather than anything to bring this out, because making CDI or Revolution Falcon is a much easier and accessible thing to do, and Soul Shave is more or less always live because turn 1 Strix only gets easier with each release.

[heraldry_lord]

Last Strix is not good though, it really is not worth using just on the off chance you can use it to get this out because even doing that this is only going to have 1 material and the Zerofyne effect is the main draw aside from the immunity. And then you can't even hurt your opponent the turn you do it which is something this wants you to do.

 

And if we do get a good RUM searcher, you'll want to be using it on Soul Shave Force rather than anything to bring this out, because making CDI or Revolution Falcon is a much easier and accessible thing to do , and Soul Shave is more or less always live because turn 1 Strix only gets easier with each release.

 

Then we'll just agree to disagree.

[BlackBeartic]

I like how all the same people from the anime thread pretty much said the same thing.

 

"It takes too much effort to bring out"

 

It takes about 10% effort to actually bring this out, the worst thing you have to do is ram a blaze and activate double death. Zerofyne dies to anything named backrow and only negates faceup effects. (People must really not use Mimicry's level modulation)

 

This is not a worst Zerofyne in the slightest and it is definitely not hard to bring out.

 

and lol SCF bad. It's not better than Yuga but it's not bad.

 

If this was as easy to bring out as towers you'd all be whining about how broken it is (and it retrospect it would be) so I think you should just take what you got. Eventually we'll probably get an easier way to bring it out.

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

I like how all the same people from the anime thread pretty much said the same thing.

 

"It takes too much effort to bring out"

 

It takes about 10% effort to actually bring this out, the worst thing you have to do is ram a blaze and activate double death. Zerofyne dies to anything named backrow and only negates faceup effects. (People must really not use Mimicry's level modulation)

 

It does take too much effort to bring it out for it to be worth running,

 

You say that that's the worst thing you've to do, it's the only thing you can do to bring it out and it's a terrible play. Blaze requires 3 5s, and you need Death Double so you need a Vanishing, Mimicry and Fuzzy, then for all those summons to go through, then for Blaze's summon to go through and for nothing to be activated when it attacks, then for the Death Double to be let resolve.

 

By breaking it down into those steps you have to acknowledge that it's infinitely less practical than making Zerofyne or something similar. You can easily run 2-3 Twin Twister and 2-3 Icarus Attack so backrow isn't so much of an issue, and while that helps for both cases Zerofyne is in that case the obvious better play, because one swing with a Zerofyne can be game winning, whereas Ultimate is brought out in the battle phase and unable to use its effect until M2 at which point it does nothing effective.

 

 

This is not a worst Zerofyne in the slightest and it is definitely not hard to bring out.

 

and lol SCF bad. It's not better than Yuga but it's not bad.

 

If this was as easy to bring out as towers you'd all be whining about how broken it is (and it retrospect it would be) so I think you should just take what you got. Eventually we'll probably get an easier way to bring it out.

 

It is for all intents and purposes a Zerofyne that requires a lot more effort to bring out. Yes effect immunity is a massive boost but they've started to do that recently and with the investment you put into this it's a fair enough payback rather than a huge reward. You'll be left with very little after summoning this unless you're already set up from previous Strix searches and such, in which case rank 4 floods are a better approach anyway.

 

SCF has no application, you don't need more backrow killing, yes the Super Poly clause is a boon but that doesn't make it worthwhile when Kali Yuga does that already on top of more help. I've brought out SCF once in all the time I've been using RR and it was once I did it that I swapped it for Kali because I realised that I'd much rather have brought that out, it does a lot more for the same investment.

 

Lastly, for Christ's sake, people can say that it's not a practical thing to make and that it requires deck adjustments to make it possible because it's an entirely fair criticism and a valid point, you can't just dismiss it as "whining" and think that invalidates it because it doesn't. This is Towers power at Vennominaga practicality which makes it a relatively fair trade-off, and yes very good when you can get it out, but the likes of CDI are easier for the deck to make and actually work well.

 

In a deck that generally goes plus on every turn and simply overwhelms, the idea that a -2 (if you do the Mimicry and Fuzzy searches, -4 otherwise) to make a 1-mat Zerofyne in M2 that UTL kills without issue is a practical or good play is just not true. Yes you could do it, but it doesn't mean you should or that it's a good move.

[heraldry_lord]

It does take too much effort to bring it out for it to be worth running,

 

You say that that's the worst thing you've to do, it's the only thing you can do to bring it out and it's a terrible play. Blaze requires 3 5s, and you need Death Double so you need a Vanishing, Mimicry and Fuzzy, then for all those summons to go through, then for Blaze's summon to go through and for nothing to be activated when it attacks, then for the Death Double to be let resolve.

 

While I did say that we should agree to disagree, I don't appreciate you saying that's the only way to bring it out, when you know that's not true.

 

If you meant that that's the only way to do it in a more "standard" build, then I can see with that, but you didn't specify that.

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

While I did say that we should agree to disagree, I don't appreciate you saying that's the only way to bring it out, when you know that's not true.

 

If you meant that that's the only way to do it in a more "standard" build, then I can see with that, but you didn't specify that.

 

That is what I meant, got a bit carried away with other things and didn't specify. Though that is the only method that can be done in the 1 turn without prior grave or field set-up that I am aware of outside of Astral Force stacking or something. It's still a mistake regardless.

[The Highlander]

Enguin is there any reason you blatantly ignore Last Strix and state it would take a huge card combo to get this out ?

[Progenitor]

Enguin is there any reason you blatantly ignore Last Strix and state it would take a huge card combo to get this out ?

 

Because the majority of all situations Last Strix is a bad card.  However in the niche it's quite useful.

 

Yet you have to have Last Strix, Soul Shave Force, and a way to reliably nuke your own Blaze Falcon.  And even then, you can't really do anything else that turn but set some crap and hope your opponent can't pull a 3600+ beater out of their ass (which almost every single deck can do through Utopia the Lightning).

 

So no, it's still not that great of a play.  However I would say it's the most solid one, as Ulti falcon's sheer presence can take games in the right situations.  The problem is you not only need last strix and Soul Shave, but you also need to BE in said situation.  That's a few too many variables for not much reward IMO

[The Highlander]

Because the majority of all situations Last Strix is a bad card.  However in the niche it's quite useful.

 

Yet you have to have Last Strix, Soul Shave Force, and a way to reliably nuke your own Blaze Falcon.  And even then, you can't really do anything else that turn but set some crap and hope your opponent can't pull a 3600+ beater out of their ass (which almost every single deck can do through Utopia the Lightning).

 

So no, it's still not that great of a play.  However I would say it's the most solid one, as Ulti falcon's sheer presence can take games in the right situations.  The problem is you not only need last strix and Soul Shave, but you also need to BE in said situation.  That's a few too many variables for not much reward IMO

What are you talking about, who would require all of those cards together, you simply need astral force + last strix and do not even require setup, you just summon satellite via last strix and then rank up into ultimate.

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

Soul Shave only does graveyard stuff, for the Last Strix play you need to be running Astral Force, which itself is outclassed by Soul Shave and so I don't use it at all and see no reason to. If you want to make the build dedicated to making this it's entirely possible, but it'll be nowhere near as good as playing the conventional Raidraptor way.

[heraldry_lord]

What are you talking about, who would require all of those cards together, you simply need astral force + last strix and do not even require setup, you just summon satellite via last strix and then rank up into ultimate.

 

I would like to think that he ignored Astral, because Soul Shave is already in the "standard" deck, so he's trying to find the best way to do it without changing anything in the Main Deck apart from the addition of Last Strix.

 

I could be wrong though, and he just wasn't aware that you could do this.

 

 

This is honestly my biggest peeve with how they've designed the archetype; from the moment they started fleshing the archetype out, they should have made the themed RR Xyz (that isn't named Force Strix) much more attractive than other more generic Xyz, as well as not making the deck have to hope it gets RUM when it needs it (or give it a better searcher than Tribute Lanius), and that would be a bigger incentive to specialize the deck into RUM shenanigans.

[Progenitor]

What are you talking about, who would require all of those cards together, you simply need astral force + last strix and do not even require setup, you just summon satellite via last strix and then rank up into ultimate.

 

As was just described, that doesn't change the situation much.  It's still a 2 very specific not readily searched card combo that simply drops a 3500 immune to everything beater on the field and you do...pretty much nothing afterwards.  It's essentially opening your cheek to your opponent and saying "I'll give you a free one.  Gimme ur best shot."  Well if they actually have a punch to throw, you'll be on the ground.  If they don't then GG i guess?

 

RR can put so much pressure on by sheer force of numbers that waiting a turn before you can actually seal the deal, BUT only if they don't actually have an answer, is kinda contradictory to the way RR are conventionally played no?

[The Highlander]

As was just described, that doesn't change the situation much.  It's still a 2 very specific not readily searched card combo that simply drops a 3500 immune to everything beater on the field and you do...pretty much nothing afterwards.  It's essentially opening your cheek to your opponent and saying "I'll give you a free one.  Gimme ur best shot."  Well if they actually have a punch to throw, you'll be on the ground.  If they don't then GG i guess?

 

RR can put so much pressure on by sheer force of numbers that waiting a turn before you can actually seal the deal, BUT only if they don't actually have an answer, is kinda contradictory to the way RR are conventionally played no?

Well it is indeed not ideal ... or enough to win the game by it on its own, but you describe it as if you would play no backrow at all.

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

Well it is indeed not ideal ... or enough to win the game by it on its own, but you describe it as if you would play no backrow at all.

 

Ah come one now, you know yourself you're really stretching to make this seem like it's a good or worthwhile play. It's totally at odds with what you want to be generally doing with Raidraptors, if Last Strix was a 4 it'd be potentially a 1-of like Necro Vulture is but it's a level 1 so it doesn't even work with anything else outside of this one not particularly strong play.

[The Highlander]

Ah come one now, you know yourself you're really stretching to make this seem like it's a good or worthwhile play. It's totally at odds with what you want to be generally doing with Raidraptors, if Last Strix was a 4 it'd be potentially a 1-of like Necro Vulture is but it's a level 1 so it doesn't even work with anything else outside of this one not particularly strong play.

I never said it is that worthwile, I simply stated that stating it would have to win on its own and/or it being extremely difficult to summon is simply wrong, however as long as Raid Raptors do not have a real RUM searcher (even if you count tribute it only searches the weak RUMs) this play is too inconsistent, even if strix is searchable astral not being searchable kind of kills the purpose.

[Rest in Piss YCMaker]

I never said it is that worthwile, I simply stated that stating it would have to win on its own and/or it being extremely difficult to summon is simply wrong, however as long as Raid Raptors do not have a real RUM searcher (even if you count tribute it only searches the weak RUMs) this play is too inconsistent, even if strix is searchable astral not being searchable kind of kills the purpose.

 

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But it is actually extremely difficult to summon, maybe not the process but the set-up and practicality. Blaze into Double Death and Last Strix into Astral Force are both ways it can be done but they both have glaring flaws. DDF is bad and is a minus no matter how you make it. Last is bad, Astral is not good and neither are run.

 

On top of that, Last Strix doesn't even treat it as an Xyz, so you can't later Soul Shave out another Ultimate Falcon using the SCF you bring out with it, meaning the Astral Force is your one and only shot. The impracticality of this card kills it, if we get a RUM that does Double Death on a monster on the field then it becomes rather excellent, but at the moment it's counter-intuitive to include ways of summoning it because they don't work well with the general Raidraptor style.