Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just a pretty nice overview of what 2015 looked like for OCG, It'll be kinda interesting to see how TCG (if someone ever does this for TCG)'s distribution looks likeCredit to Road of the King for having the time an patience to wade through all the tops and keep tabsSo a basic run throughJan 1st List was the Huge Errata PushNekroz and Dolls were pretty high up there, with Dark Matter Rulers and Shaddolls getting a nice little boost from Chaos Emperor Dragon.Rulers were more THAT annoying deck that stops anything below tier 1 from competing, but usually lost to the top decksQli still had everthing so they were able to make a presence. Heros lost 2 Instant Fusion.Crossed Souls brought in the Water Shaddoll, ie shaddoll spike at that point. Ptolo didn't become all that great till CDI picked up.April 1st List Banned Conny and Rulers, DMoC back, Vanity to 1 are the most notable hits on that list.Oh and Brio+Cycle to 1 swapped for putting the Jews back up at 2/3 Qli lost 2 Saqlifice and a scoutDark Law+CDI and Nekroz pretty much ruled the format will Magicans got to OCG. Apex at that point was able to put a dent in those two's power. Other decks like Train Dolls and Atlanteans were able to make an pretty decent impact, and Infernoids with 3 Gate/Reasoning + Card Des were always a constant force. Atlantean did become the "best" deck for a while when Artifact Atlantean realized it could cock block all the other major decksJuly 1st List: No ChangesDOCS hits, drops Rafflesia and Plushfire, bringing in the terror knows as pepe to the format. Cannibalizes Magicans. So Magican PPals was a deck too. But a very clear PEPE domination, with Hero's Shock/Law/CDI lock holding 2nd place, Atlanteans in 3rd and Nekroz in last. Djinn lock honestly become bad at this point due to mirror conductor so they lost a major edge over the other decksOctober 1st List: Mist Limited (Hero out) Shruitt limited (Nekroz gone) Diva limited (Atlantean gone) Wisdom Eyes limited (Magican gone) Ptolo and Noden banned, Ptolo more so freed up ED room for Ignister. Heros don't have the Law CDI play anymore and making Law Shock was 1) Not as good 2) A lot harderNoden ban had the adverse effect of weakening super poly, which in effect also made BA and PEPE a lot stronger, which leads to:Extra Pack Drops: Dante is a expensive mofo, but monarchs are cheap and easy to buy. Burning Abyss are slow to pick up basically.15 Extra Deck Zaborg build popular at first, gives way for the 8 and eventually 0 builds.BA go from Horn Control to XYZ universe control to finally Law control (the current major build)PEPE top deck cause of Shock for Narchs and Azzathoth & Dweller for BA.BOSH drops, Monkey+Turtle tier 0.5 the format in PEPE's favor. Ariadne and Twin Twister make counter traps cool again (for a while) and most forms of backrow trash. Horn Control is really out of a job by this point. 15 ED tops again for a while due lesser reliance on DominionJan List Drops: Pepe->Draco PalsJuggler, Shock, and Plush all banned 1/3 Good HitsMonarch realize veiler kills them, so Super Quantum Monarchs start becoming more popular. BA are trying the Tele-Ghost engine to likewise fight Veiler.Shiv Drops: Clash becomes better, and new Ghost Oger kills BA pretty hard, prompting a rise in popularity of Djinn Control BA, Reset BA and Chaos BA, all of which rely on Dante lessIt's rough, but I'll go into more detail later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 the following opinions and comments are from a TCG player, so feel free to point and laugh. MST the real MVP. a nice question this raises is how much will Twin twister barge in on MST. another interesting thing to note is just how fast pepe took off. were people really that starved for a new meta? or was the banlist over there so hard hitting that nothing else could even compete at their time of release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 It was their superior ability to grind resources and spam Rank 4s. They had access to Ariadne, Rafflesia, CyDra Unfairnity, and Shock Lock. They pretty much denied your opponent's ability to do anything while generating an absurd amount of advantage for themselves. Letting them get the first turn would be hell for you with Rafflesia and Ariadne's searched Solemn Strikes staring you down. Also as Winter posted: PEPE top deck cause of Shock for Narchs and Azzathoth & Dweller for BA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I mean ignoring that Ignister plays huge role as a combo enabler, huge damage output per turn and being the best removal in the game that's exclusive to Dracoslayer decks is pretty big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I mean ignoring that Ignister plays huge role as a combo enabler, huge damage output per turn and being the best removal in the game that's exclusive to Dracoslayer decks is pretty big mistake.Not entirely true. July Format with Ptolo and Shock, you barely saw Ignister. And for the vast Majority of October format you only saw one. Now where you ARE right is that Ignister is bankrolling Dracopals a lot the following opinions and comments are from a TCG player, so feel free to point and laugh. MST the real MVP. a nice question this raises is how much will Twin twister barge in on MST. another interesting thing to note is just how fast pepe took off. were people really that starved for a new meta? or was the banlist over there so hard hitting that nothing else could even compete at their time of release?We have seen it, MST was still the most sided card even when Twin Twister was most popular (granted this has a bit to do with people maiming Twister and Siding Typhoon) PEPE took off cause Wiz+Plush was nuts, Nekroz still had 3 Shruitt and Heroes were basically still at full power, very little can match the "average" +2 that plush wizard can sheet out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 what is your metric for "barely saw ignister" you barely saw Ignister. And for the vast Majority of October format you only saw one. I guess this is it. How is this conclusive exactly since its really just indicative of a a bunch of good extra deck monsters. You generally need to resolve it once to get ahead, usually to take advantage of situations where you've timewalk'd/soft-locked the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 what is your metric for "barely saw ignister" I guess this is it. How is this conclusive exactly since its really just indicative of a a bunch of good extra deck monsters. You generally need to resolve it once to get ahead, usually to take advantage of situations where you've timewalk'd/soft-locked the opponent.0 Ignister >\= 1 Ignister Maybe, but you've slowly seen it replace other manners of removal over time and other combos such as the gradual phase out of Nyarla/Azz I'm thinking the spinning itself wasn't as potent as it may originally seem especially considering something like BA hitting the grave as mats or Juggler/Clown. You usually saw Ignister combined with things like Azz or Dweller. At which point, why invest in going all out for Luster engine when you can simpily just go Azz Dweller and use easier removal? The impact that Ignister has over say Castel is rather limited. An Dweller/Azz Castel Trapeez feild is still game and easier to pull off The point being, until the January format, Ignister wasn't so popular cause 1) You didn't have room for as elaborate of luster engine 2) Better (more damaging XYZ's existed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 question, have you actually played the deck or are you just taking information from a small sample size of decklists? clash of dracorivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 idk wtf Winter is talking about. I literally see an Ignister or two played quite constantly. When it's not a field of Infinity + Rafflesia/Pleiades, its a field of 1-2 Ignister, Majester, and Dinoster. He's either bullshitting, or the OCG doesn't understand what a good card is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 idk wtf Winter is talking about. I literally see an Ignister or two played quite constantly. When it's not a field of Infinity + Rafflesia/Pleiades, its a field of 1-2 Ignister, Majester, and Dinoster. He's either bullshitting, or the OCG doesn't understand what a good card is.You do realize that Clash is a relatively recent development right? Talking July and a decent portion of October. The fact remains Ignister is a more recent development. Care to tell me exactly what Ignister can hit that Castel can't?question, have you actually played the deck or are you just taking information from a small sample size of decklists? clash of dracorivalsTell me, was clash a card in July? I did play Pepe, not so much Dracopals however The bottom line is, Castel tends to be easier to summon and pre January created the otk all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Anything that is immune to targeting, and you can't summon Castel off of a Luster. Also Ignister kills 2 things against pendulum decks, as opposed to Castel's 1. And unlike Castel, Ignister can run over infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Anything that is immune to targeting, and you can't summon Castel off of a Luster. Also Ignister kills 2 things against pendulum decks, as opposed to Castel's 1. And unlike Castel, Ignister can run over infinity.Hmm let's look at that from OCG's eyes shall we? Only really Pilgrim for immune to targeting Fair, but you can't summon half the other cards you want to off luster Unlike TCG, PEPE has always had a real challenger, be it Heroz and Nekroz or BA and Monarchs now, but Castel works against basically all of that, but there is a point in it's prominence in the mirror, i.e. why it's slowly picked up as the other good E/D options waned Infinity is hard to summon now days, and was one it's way to irrelevance during Ptolo's stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 idk if u ever noticed but ignister is 2850, making it eligible to run over dante/beatrice under dweller which makes it easier to simplify BA boards, making a direct comparison to castel makes no sense when you can't make it off Dracoslayer.ffs they aren't even mutually exclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 idk if u ever noticed but ignister is 2850, making it eligible to run over dante/beatrice under dweller which makes it easier to simplify BA boards, making a direct comparison to castel makes no sense when you can't make it off Dracoslayer.ffs they aren't even mutually exclusiveAllow me to elaborate. Firstly I mean ignoring that Ignister plays huge role as a combo enabler, huge damage output per turn and being the best removal in the game that's exclusive to Dracoslayer decks is pretty big mistake.I didn't mention Ignister for a couple of reasons. 1) July 1st Banlist format: Clash was not out, so Ignister was surprisingly harder to summon, in this context Castel was more accessible removal for largely the same effect. Also the Extra was really tight with Both Shock and the Ptolo Engines 2) October 1st, Nyarla + Azz comes into play, extra is a little looser, but now Abyss Dweller needs to be played cause of BA and Monarch grave effects. Fine. But you raised a valid point on running over Beatrice and Dante, which was why Ignister saw MORE play than in July 3) BOSH comes out, Ignister is easier to summon, instead of the typical one, it starts seeing play at 2, Harbinger come out, even more reason to run multiples, but Harbinger not really needed as Shock is the best anti-spell card you can get. Fluctuates between 1-2. Yes play's with trapeeze existed, but you're over 8k with Castel as well and making 3 2 mat Rank 4's is easier than 2 2 mat rank 4 and 1 synchro lv 8 4) Jan 1st, Shock Dead, NOW you see Ignister a lot cause it's easy as funk to summon and gets into your best spell out. But as the january format isn't fully flushed out, and a major player is out in a week, I didn't wanna comment and seem ignorant, so I guess you can call me out on being careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...Skullcrobat is the most played PePe card in OCG. Somebody PLEASE kill me. Kinda strange how Maxx "C" is played more than Veiler, though. Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...Skullcrobat is the most played PePe card in OCG. Somebody PLEASE kill me. Kinda strange how Maxx "C" is played more than Veiler, though. Huh.You want to be able to get into your Veiler/Ghost Oger/Typhoon How better to do that than maxx? Agreed though. Skull need to be shot and limited. Insight could likely move up then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...Skullcrobat is the most played PePe card in OCG. Somebody PLEASE kill me. Kinda strange how Maxx "C" is played more than Veiler, though. Huh. Odd-Eyes Variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Odd-Eyes Variants.Magican PEPE were also a credible threat at one point before Insight got funked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Format Shaping up pretty well TBH, still think Mages were the wrong hit, but should be interesting to see the rest of Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 [Deck Dissemination] January 2016 Metagame Breakdown in JapanDuring 1st January - 31st January 2016Total : 10 tournaments, 502 Decks203 - Performapal Dracoslayer (41%)76 - Monarch (15%)75 - Burning Abyss (15%) 39 - Infernoid (8%)12 - Blue-Eyes (2%)10 - Qliphort (2%)7 - D/D (1%)80 - Others (16%)502 - Total (100%)10 Tournaments including : - Dosanko CS- The 5th Miyazaki CS- The 5th Nagano CS - NKMR Cup- Shinai Cup- The 6th Azamino Cup- The 5th Theta Cup- PCS Mini- The 4th Mie Unofficial Tournament- The 6th Trade Card Market CS- The 4th Tsuchiura CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Tournament Recipe : Asia Championship [sP format]Winner: [Performapal Dracoslayer] Chiu Chza Hsiang (Singapore Representative) Tournament Recipe : Asia Championship [sP format]2rd Place: [Performapal Dracoslayer] Chiu Chza Hsiang (Singapore Representative) TCG was definitely onto something here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Tournament : Asuto CupDate : 14th February 2016Place : Taihaku-ku ward, Miyagi, JapanParticipants : 105 persons35 - Performapal(Dracoslayer x31, HERO x1, Magician x1, Majespecter x1, Nekroz Infernity HERO x1)24 - Burning Abyss (Pure x12, Phantom Knight x6, Ritual x4, Speedroid x1, Melody CED x1)20 - Monarch (Super Quantum x9, 0 Extra x8, 15 Extra x2, Magical Explosion x1)6 - Nekroz 4 - Infernoid 3 - Qliphort 3 - D/D 2 - Blue-Eyes 8 - Others 105 - Total Evening out a bit I guess. It's Ironic they wanted BE to be Meta, but happily left Rejuv and Ravine at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardonx Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not even the TCG hit the deck enough. I tried retooling the deck by filling in the gaps with secondonkeys, masked chamleons, and a chronomaly engine for infinity and it's still strong enough to compete with the best of them. Draco face off and pendulum sorc both need hitting still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 As the banlist is only two weeks away, this is the current standing of the metagame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 "Blue Eyes will be tier 1" they said. "Strong contender for the meta" they said. Man, I'm beginning to think that Konami doesn't even realize how to make a Tier 1 deck on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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