Maeriberii Haan Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 List isn't terrible tbh as it made Pends knocked down into somewhere more even with the other decks. The way they do it felt cheap as hell tho. Expecting Atlantean-Kozmo-Monarch-Magician Variants-R4-and maybe Noids and BA to compete in this meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 why Because game balance is important? Why else? :v If anything people should be really happy about this change apart from the fact that Sorc is still legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Almost agreed there. Plush + Luster at 1, with a Wavering limit and a Juggler unlimit would have made it perfect Ignister isn't that card that turbo's through your deck and nets you the Cydra Raff cancer fields You can't get the Cydra Raff cancer fields with Luster anyway, and you STILL can't get the field anyway, because Ptol is now banned.So.. point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 You can't get the Cydra Raff cancer fields with Luster anyway, and you STILL can't get the field anyway, because Ptol is now banned.So.. point?Luster is the #2 (or arguably #1) culprit in making Plushfire the monster it is. Plush Luster is what gets you that field presence. And even without Ptolo, Luster is basically the best card after Wizard with play using Ariadne as OCG has proven. It was the correct and beautiful hit, it it 1)Weakens Ariadne2)Weakens Ignister3)Weakens Clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 You can't get the Cydra Raff cancer fields with Luster anyway, and you STILL can't get the field anyway, because Ptol is now banned.So.. point? he means Luster as a scale not as monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 he means Luster as a scale not as monster.I'm wondering if this is a telegraph of OCG's April list. I just don't see them hitting the pals with the structure deck coming out. But Crobat to 1 would let insight got 3, and you could pretty easily swap monkey for Wavering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 dude funk me, I was gonna get a playset of Farmgirls for $45 earlier today then I came back and now it's at least $65-75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 dude funk me, I was gonna get a playset of Farmgirls for $45 earlier today then I came back and now it's at least $65-75Well drink up the tears of all the people who bought Cydra Inf for 80$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Almost agreed there. Plush + Luster at 1, with a Wavering limit and a Juggler unlimit would have made it perfect Ignister isn't that card that turbo's through your deck and nets you the Cydra Raff cancer fieldsno like how do u still manage to screw up if u agree Limiting Dracoslayer is essentially limiting Ignister In going to have to address ur awful pepe theory afterwards zzzzz if I have the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 no like how do u still manage to screw up if u agree Limiting Dracoslayer is essentially limiting IgnisterIn going to have to address ur awful pepe theory afterwards zzzzz if I have the timeBut I never disagreed with that, that's what I was trying to tell Dyson anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Because game balance is important? Why else? :v If anything people should be really happy about this change apart from the fact that Sorc is still legal.It's more the hits themselves I'm annoyed at, not the CONCEPT of them. I pretty much agree with Winter 100% on why half the hits are dumb, and the fact they do this so soon after the set releases is...odd.Also, the whole "Adjustment" thing is weird as hell. Why not just wait a month and make an actual list, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I assume that Towers can pretty easily be unbanned post UTL and such, in large a convergence might not be that unrealistic to hope for The formats, are pretty much in agreement about Shaddolls, Super Poly unbanned on TCG side, Games to 3 on OCG side Qlis is just a matter of fixing Towers. TCG can limit Shadow Mist and Stratos while OCG can unlimit Mali Nekroz are matter of philosophy, personally like the OCG method of hitting it better though At that point it's just the elephant in the room. Duster + Trapline up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'd rather put Scout to 2 and make Qliphort Monarchs in TCG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'd rather put Scout to 2 and make Qliphort Monarchs in TCGRight, TCG limited scout didn't we. Um sure, Towers to 3, Scout to 2, everyone is happy. With Dusty and Twin Twisty, Skill Drain to 3 is a non issue funk, Wizard is down to 25 dollars. I wonder if Cydra Infinity and Galaxy Soldier could work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm sad because limiting Luster vastly injured my "Spam Ignister for hours" deck I like to beat on DevBot with, and also my Ariadne Symphonics, but that deck was never very good. Definitely some deserved hits here though. Stupid Performer saturation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 From what I gathered, this adjustment is for official tournaments, and is optional for local tournaments/etc to adopt, because it's NOT a change to the current banlist. But it's likely that these WILL be added to the official banlist when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 From what I gathered, this adjustment is for official tournaments, and is optional for local tournaments/etc to adopt, because it's NOT a change to the current banlist. But it's likely that these WILL be added to the official banlist when the time comes.Yeah, dgz is ripe with people predicting an OCG / TCG convergence by the end of the year, so there is a fair bit of work to be done on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's a cool list and stuff but won't Monarchs just stomp everything now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's a cool list and stuff but won't Monarchs just stomp everything now?Kozmo can run storm4th too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 So this is, what, the second time they are doing this "emergency ban" thing?First time, if I remember correctly, was when Brionac was released. Either way... ..... They killed off Performages/Performage variants/etc.Greeeaaaaaaaaat........ :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 So this is, what, the second time they are doing this "emergency ban" thing?First time, if I remember correctly, was when Brionac was released. Either way... ..... They killed off Performages/Performage variants/etc.Greeeaaaaaaaaat........ :/3rd/4th Return DAD format with DMoC and Dim Fu Cyber Stein in 2006 Brio now this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Oh boy. >Plushfire and Damajuggler banned, Luster Pendulum at 1 OH BABY. Yes please. No searching for PeDra/PePe/Pew Pew is fine by me. >Ptolemaeus banned, SKULLCROBAT AND MONKEYBOARD AT 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU The only thing that could make this ANY better would be Sorc banned/at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 no like how do u still manage to screw up if u agreeIn going to have to address ur awful pepe theory afterwards zzzzz if I have the timeSince you're too busy, asleep, good to respond, I might as well explain. What were my changes:Limit PlushfireLimit Wavering EyesUnlimit Juggler on top of the current TCG hits Let's look into this. Without 3 luster and the Monkey-Crobat engine, what's the easiest way to trigger the now best scale-floater, Ariadne? Wavering Eyes. WE will always be a blow out in a pendulum mirror match, it was Qlis, now it's PEPE, it'll be something else next. Much like the Honest stacks, wavering eyes is dumb at multiples. Both players drawing a limited card and chaining them at the same time is rather unrealistic to see, but it could still happen yes? *cues* Juggler. This card should never have gotten hit on either list. It stops damage, thus hindering cards like Clown, RoD, and Wavering Eyes. Is it a searcher in the grave, have use in the hand and have a toolbox from the deck? Sure, but it's not quite on rulers scale still there. Wavering Eyes should be a power card you need to save and use properly. And having 3 Juggler on top of WE being limited makes it resolving and blowing the field out a lot less likely. So Plushfire now? That's not hard at all. Luster is limited, so no +2 Plush plays there. Wizard won't be as easy to get and getting both Plush-Wizard set up for a rather mediocre Plush float really won't advance pepe that much. A limited Plush is in effect an OPT'd Plush, or at best case a TPT'd plush. Furthermore, the luster limit, effectively limits Ignister unless you run bad cards like Masked. So plushing off that isn't fast or reliable either. Wavering is also limited, if anything, plush existing at 1 would just prevent a player from being OTK'ed as often by the likes of monarch or such. Hardly ban worth. Although, If you're gonna try to tear down a person, atleast finish mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 3rd/4th Return DAD format with DMoC and Dim Fu Cyber Stein in 2006 Brio now this Don't forget the lol emergency banlist that put Sixth Sense @1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Don't forget the lol emergency banlist that put Sixth Sense @1Who could forget TCG's greatest moment of logic and selflessness towards profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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