Nirvana High Paladin [Konami On Crack Donald Trump Card]

[Yuuji Kazami]

Ah, OCG. Where people rely on unreleased English cards. I'll host on DN.

 

Username: {Risen}Helldragon

[Blake]

No one good runs battle traps. That's... Not newm? That's YGO 2016. If you're still running them, much less to go into rated, you may need to rethink your efforts.

 

So basically, you're continuing to cite SINGLES as evidence, despite the game being played in MATCHES. Right. Nevermind that this is anecdotal evidence.

 

No, it's not broken, you didn't prove anything. You just read the card and stated what it did, while rattling off sensationalist statements to make it LOOK like you made a point.

 

You have to run either Trump Girl or Nobledragon in order to make this. Or Cheer Mole and so on, but you get the idea.

 

This means you need to run cards that require even MORE cards to be truly good... In order to summon this. And it still costs a total of 3 cards to summon. Sure, Ignister/NSing after the fact can renew your field, but in those situations, you'd he winning anyway, and this is overkill.

 

The LP halving is overvalued. Yea, if halves LP... But as stated, it's an overkill effect. You can easily win without it in most scenarios.

 

If anything, it's scale effects are much more potent than the halving, as they can easily lead to winning the game... But it takes too long to get there. And still requires giving up too many resources + this somehow dying.

 

It's not broken, at all. The gamestate is not conducive to such a card being absurd, only good.

 

Hell, it's better in OCG due to better S/T and limited Ignister (meaning it enables 2 Ignisters in 1 turn), but it's still not funking broken, only strong.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Hell, it's better in OCG due to better S/T and limited Ignister (meaning it enables 2 Ignisters in 1 turn), but it's still not funking broken, only strong.

Pendulum decks are also gutted though. I'd largely agree with you, but with DD Crow being one card outs to a lot of the power spells like Reborn and Avarice you're really only gonna be grabbing back Duster/P-Call

 

In that regard, TCG has a wide range of effective targets to grab at lower resistance 

 

 

Ah, OCG. Where people rely on unreleased English cards. I'll host on DN.

 

Username: {Risen}Helldragon

 

*Sigh* I had a awful feeling you were gonna be playing Kozmo...rip Black he's gonna beat my dolls with his Kozmo and think that suddenly makes battle traps good

[Kaiji]

DMoC is amazing in the right decks, and has a rather high chance of being limited in the near future even post errata if they ever release Construct or if DM support in TDIL is at nuts as it looks. 

Gonna mention how TDIL Magician support is pretty mediocre and revolves around the Eternal Soul + Black Circle loops I envisioned the deck would be doing to begin with. Iit takes a turn to set up anything worthwhile as they have to either resolve MAgician;s Navigate (requires a vanilla in hand) or a NS'ed rod, even the combination of the two isn't enough power.

exiting thread as battle traps havent been good since mirror force was out back to 3 and the d00d above doesn't realize it rip

 

BASED DIRE WOLF

 

BASED TWIN TWISTER

 

BASED CALCAB  (off beatrice)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Ah, OCG. Where people rely on unreleased English cards. I'll host on DN.

 

Username: {Risen}Helldragon

You really shouldn't say GG to someone till you've actully won...tends to lead to embarrassing situations like that one :/

 

Hopefully you realize the two traps that made it close were Strike and Kozmojo, neither of which are battle traps. The point that Black and Fyre were trying to make, which maybe you'll realize now, is that the game has evolved to the point where we can remove enough traps BEFORE the BStep, so you're best bet is in cards that hit summons like Holes and Torrentials, Chainable ones like Compuls, burg, or RoD, or likely best, counter traps like Solemns

 

That being said, GG

 

@Black I really don't think this will be better in OCG, looking again at existing pendulum decks for the April format, and they're really only running Twin Twister, Hole, or Duster as power spells. At which point it seem TCG can capitalize more on the card and have a better chance at laddering

 

 

Gonna mention how TDIL Magician support is pretty mediocre and revolves around the Eternal Soul + Black Circle loops I envisioned the deck would be doing to begin with. Iit takes a turn to set up anything worthwhile as they have to either resolve MAgician;s Navigate (requires a vanilla in hand) or a NS'ed rod, even the combination of the two isn't enough power.

Huhn, I guess I saw them more as Paladin Control (thus an amazing match up vs Qlis and Blue Eyes) and using Paladin to stall till you can set up the XYZ and thus Solemns/DMoC, but I could be wrong. It seems to be the "third" meta deck on paper so far

[~Faytl~]

I love how this is a "Discussion" forum and Yuuji has been using it as nothing more than an excuse to complain about a card and shout down everyone who disagrees with him. Really cool move there, bro, totally makes me take you seriously, especially when you put all the electricity of an inebriated firefly into your brain when thinking about cards.

 

This is a VERY fairly balanced monster, seeing as you need to Synchro and get a tuner out that can reach level 10, meaning Crystal Wing is almost ALWAYS a better option because it's easier to make and actually shuts out opponent plays. Sure, this grabs back a Twisters or Raigeki; Big deal, the most threatening backrow is Solemn Warning/Strike these days, and Twisters won't matter there as they'll negate this thing's summon before the grabback effect even goes off. Is it overpowered? No. Strong and really cool and fun, while not necessarily being the most optimal option? Certainly.

[Yuuji Kazami]

I like how you act all mighty because my internet shut off and I was forced to quit. You weren't even close to winning. You never touched my LP. You had less than 3k left. You also had more than 1 banned card in your deck that you used.

 

If you didn't have the balls to take a pic, then you should know that there were no outs for you (but UltimateIRS was watching, so he knows). I couldn't draw my Mirror Forces, but it wouldnt have made a difference since you did not declare a single attack.

 

Also, Unlimited is not OCG. You couldn't even  step in the Traditional room. Your Shaddoll plays had 0 tact, and you hid behind falco the entire time.

 

I dare you to play me again.

[The Warden]

I wouldn't say this card is fair, as it has an obscene level of power. It's just that, as Black said, it's merely overkill. It is exceptionally powerful, and in some cases, not all that hard to make. Thing is, if you're in a position to make this card, odds are you're already in a position to win anyways. Making this is like looping until you have 5 powerful monsters while your opponent has no defences against your assault and were dead from monster #1. It's like applying an AK-47 to wipe out an ant farm. This is pretty much like Towers back in the early days, where the position you were able to make it in was a position where you've already won. Although, the two aren't even remotely comparable since Towers is so stupidly easy to bring out for the level of value it and Monolith provide.

 

Does this validate Yuuji's jabroniing? No, not at funking all.

[King K. Azo]

Wait, we can use Noble? This gets around her 'Can only summon Dragon Type Synchros'?

 

If so, awesome.

[The Warden]

It probably shouldn't, since the effect treats it as a Tuner, and, well, she's ALREADY a Tuner, isn't she? She can't fulfil the effect since she is already fulfilling it by default.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Didn't know I could play OCG on DN advanced. Oh well. Let's get on with the rest shall we?

 

Anyway IRS was watching and I'm sure he can attest to what happened. Kozmo isn't a great match up for Shaddolls and I'll happily admit that in the long run you would have won more game than me with the current set up of my side deck.

 

That being said, allow me to dispel the notion that I had no outs.

 

Burg summons itself back as a lv2 Monster and removes Kozmotown. Falco is lv2. Know of an XYZ called Sky Calv.? Doesn't target buddy.

 

Trishula was going to be made the same turn anyway too

 

In addition the Dark Count from Avarice was 3. Ask IRS, sure as hell was a DAD in my hand.

 

Second card from the top was Super Poly and DMoC removes anything not called Dark Destroyer

 

Now let's go to the accusation of me "hiding" behind Falco....do you want me to play the deck to lose? Resolving Falco Beast would have netted me the most advantage possible so I did so. Nothing more or less. I didn't attack because you had 3 monsters all bigger than mine, not cause I was afraid of your Mirror force.

 

Now at the end of the day, if all you care about is to say you would have won a match if you hadn't DC'd on the Avarice. Fine. :) I'll say it, you would have won the match g2&3

 

It was never my intention to belittle you nor your deck, I was just trying to tell you battle traps are seldom good and that you shouldn't tell your opponent GG before they've actully lose ie. The Fader

 

I'm sorry you're so upset with me, I was just trying to help you understand Black's and Fyr's pt. Maybe if you end up getting hammered by somone who DOES have an ax to grind, you'll realize they're right

 

On Topic: Card seems fine, but the "contact synchro" aspect seems dangerous to add to future synchros (esp generic ones)

[ihop]

holy crap this thread is hilarious

 

For a start, battle traps really were good back in summer of last year because Mirror Force was really amazing against Nekroz and decent against several other decks. Even D Prison was played occasionally, the guy who won our nats played D Prison. Doesn't mean they don't suck now though, they were literally only good because Nekroz was a deck like no deck ever was or probably ever will be.

 

About the card, it seems... ok? The effect's pretty good but I think Slinky hit the nail on the head by saying there are normally stronger or equally strong plays you can make with the cards required to make this. Sure, salvaging a card is really powerful but not as powerful as pumping out a board of rank 4s with a Rafflesia or whatever else decks can do these days.

[Lonk]

sheet-tier thread 7.8/10 try harder everyone

 

In regards to the card itself, I want to run it.  I want to violate my opponents with this card.  I want to cut their lives in half with this card's effect and add Limited Spells from my Graveyard to my hand.  I know I will have to run a gimmicky Deck to focus around this card, but I want to do it if it makes my opponent cry.

[Blake]

Wait, we can use Noble? This gets around her 'Can only summon Dragon Type Synchros'?

If so, awesome.

.. No. As I explicitly stated.

 

She enables this by making L7 Synchros. You then need Lizardraw/Parrotrio/etc. to make this.

[Yuuji Kazami]

Didn't know I could play OCG on DN advanced. Oh well. Let's get on with the rest shall we?

Anyway IRS was watching and I'm sure he can attest to what happened. Kozmo isn't a great match up for Shaddolls and I'll happily admit that in the long run you would have won more game than me with the current set up of my side deck.

That being said, allow me to dispel the notion that I had no outs.

Burg summons itself back as a lv2 Monster and removes Kozmotown. Falco is lv2. Know of an XYZ called Sky Calv.? Doesn't target buddy.

Trishula was going to be made the same turn anyway too

In addition the Dark Count from Avarice was 3. Ask IRS, sure as hell was a DAD in my hand.

Second card from the top was Super Poly and DMoC removes anything not called Dark Destroyer

Now let's go to the accusation of me "hiding" behind Falco....do you want me to play the deck to lose? Resolving Falco Beast would have netted me the most advantage possible so I did so. Nothing more or less. I didn't attack because you had 3 monsters all bigger than mine, not cause I was afraid of your Mirror force.

Now at the end of the day, if all you care about is to say you would have won a match if you hadn't DC'd on the Avarice. Fine. :) I'll say it, you would have won the match g2&3

It was never my intention to belittle you nor your deck, I was just trying to tell you battle traps are seldom good and that you shouldn't tell your opponent GG before they've actully lose ie. The Fader

I'm sorry you're so upset with me, I was just trying to help you understand Black's and Fyr's pt. Maybe if you end up getting hammered by somone who DOES have an ax to grind, you'll realize they're right

On Topic: Card seems fine, but the "contact synchro" aspect seems dangerous to add to future synchros (esp generic ones)

Removing Kozmotown so I get a DD in hand? That's very intelligent.

 

DAD's targeting wouldn't have done sheet against Forerunner and DD. Sky Calv returning a monster to my hand would only allow me to re-use the effect. Also, continuing to shave down your LP by crashing wouldn't have helped.

 

Trishula could only get rid of two cards at most even if you decided to make it, which only gives me a -1 on the field. I didn't care about the Graveyard. It then becomes a useless 2700 Normal Monster that can't take down DD or Fore.

 

Fader only supports my clain of stalling. The most you could've made was Winda even if you did decide to fusion, but that would only slow you down as well. Super Poly would also get rid of only 1 monster. I'd still have atleast 1 remaining on the field.

 

There were a lot more options then just re-using Falco. Hedge adds Spell when flipped, but you continously picked beast to wall yourself for the stall cards. Plus, you couldn't even play in Traditional, not just to mention Advanced.

 

Theoretically, let's say by some unfathomable luck that you did manage to wipe out my monsters. If I had drawn a battle trap next turn, your entire field would have been barren.

 

Also, I still say funk this card. There's way too many methods of getting this out, and Synchro Laddering can get this bastard out easy. I'm still saying no. Pendulum Synchros are going to break the game.

[Toffee.]

Can we just lock this topic and call it a day?

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[Yuuji Kazami]

Eh, I'll lock it if you want.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Removing Kozmotown so I get a DD in hand? That's very intelligent.

 

DAD's targeting wouldn't have done sheet against Forerunner and DD. Sky Calv returning a monster to my hand would only allow me to re-use the effect. Also, continuing to shave down your LP by crashing wouldn't have helped.

 

Trishula could only get rid of two cards at most even if you decided to make it, which only gives me a -1 on the field. I didn't care about the Graveyard. It then becomes a useless 2700 Normal Monster that can't take down DD or Fore.

 

Fader only supports my clain of stalling. The most you could've made was Winda even if you did decide to fusion, but that would only slow you down as well. Super Poly would also get rid of only 1 monster. I'd still have atleast 1 remaining on the field.

 

There were a lot more options then just re-using Falco. Hedge adds Spell when flipped, but you continously picked beast to wall yourself for the stall cards. Plus, you couldn't even play in Traditional, not just to mention Advanced.

 

Theoretically, let's say by some unfathomable luck that you did manage to wipe out my monsters. If I had drawn a battle trap next turn, your entire field would have been barren.

 

Also, I still say funk this card. There's way too many methods of getting this out, and Synchro Laddering can get this bastard out easy. I'm still saying no. Pendulum Synchros are going to break the game.

I mean, I wasn't looking for a fight, but you clearly are. If you think this card is broken, then you're going to be very sad when Konami doesn't share you feelings on it and leaves it at three

 

BTW, Burg Banishes face up cards, last I checked Kozmotown doesn't trigger off getting banished. I Sky Cent back runner, Trish out DD, and super poly was two turns away. 

 

As for the battle traps, if I wasn't attacking, why would mirror force hurt me? End of the day, I don't think this card is broken, for once Black and I may agree on something, but if you do, bless your heart and let's leave it at that, because we are all entitled to our opinions, be them right or wrong

[.Rai]

Literally no clue what's going on in this topic, but, frankly, the language and aggression in this thread is just so OTT. I'm gonna give it a lock.