[MACR] B.E.S. Big Core MK-3

[Lee Cheng Men]

B.E.S. Big Core MK-3

巨大戦艦ビッグコア ＭＫ３

Level 8 LIGHT Machine-Type Effect Monster

ATK 2700

DEF 1900

If your opponent controls a monster while you do not, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand) in Defense Position. If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: Place 3 Counters on it. Cannot be destroyed by battle. At the end of the Damage Step, if this card battled: Remove 1 Counter from this card. If you cannot, destroy it. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; shuffle all "B.E.S." monsters from your Graveyard into the Deck.

 

http://yugioh-resaler.com/2017/01/12/post-9220/

[ÆƵ–]

Trade in target? Check. Recycling for boss rush? Check. Breaks 3k under zelos? Check. Special summonable by its own effect? Check. Gauns counters on any summon? Check.

 

Pretty good, pretty good.

[Atypical-Abbie]

Just that you can now Special Summon a 2700 monster for free like that is where I draw the line, the ATK is too damn high!

[Azuh]

Wow that Cyber Dragon effect on a 2700 body...

[Progenitor]

Yeah, yeah more Boss Rush fun times now where's the support for the other Gradius inspired pseudo archetype Konami?  I actually like playing that one.

[Delibirb]

Marvelous. Another major player for the revitalized Boss Rush decks. With the Field Spell, this will come in with 4 counters, and can be played with 3 counters without the Field Spell, which is less than ideal but still effective. Then, if your game runs really long and you're running out of targets for Boss Rush, this resets your waves of beaters.

[BlackBeartic]

"You're pretty good"

[Slinky]

Can we get Assault Core now?

[GarlandChaos]

Can we get Assault Core now?

^ I was honestly going to bring this up, but this obsoletes it in its original form, sadly. So unless Konami can think of some "zOMG tIEr -34" effect for it, no dice for now.

 

Anyways, I like this. For casual play I can see this used as a Cyber Dragon alternative, though mostly for the protection and body.

 

On the B.E.S. side of things though, this is their strongest monster in terms of raw ATK iirc, bumping up to 3200 with Zelos on the field. Also neat how it recycles dead ships.

 

Good to see they have their LIGHT monster now, but again, what about Assault Core?

[The Warden]

Hellooooooo possible Gimmick Puppets tech.

[NeoRWBY65]

I just noticed the wikia states that when it special summons itself it starts off in defense position. If so, it has 1900 defense so if you can throw enough attacks at it you won't have to worry about that giant attack stat

[Lee Cheng Men]

I just noticed the wikia states that when it special summons itself it starts off in defense position. If so, it has 1900 defense so if you can throw enough attacks at it you won't have to worry about that giant attack stat

remember it gets at least 3 or 4 (if you have Great Fortress Zelos) counters when it is summoned, so it's pretty hard to get rid of it by battle unless you control more than 4 monsters or a monster that can attack multiple times.

[Atypical-Abbie]

I just noticed the wikia states that when it special summons itself it starts off in defense position. If so, it has 1900 defense so if you can throw enough attacks at it you won't have to worry about that giant attack stat

Oh, that explains a lot. Konami, you're forgiven this time, but I have my eye on you! Still you get a pretty good monster with that anyway since you can't destroy it easily.

[Delibirb]

If you summon it with Great Fortress Zelos, as you generally will anyway, it'll be in attack position. So, irrelevant.

[NeoRWBY65]

remember it gets at least 3 or 4 (if you have Great Fortress Zelos) counters when it is summoned, so it's pretty hard to get rid of it by battle unless you control more than 4 monsters or a monster that can attack multiple times.

It would be hard, but putting itself in defense position does let the opponent have a chance to remove counters with less damage and no threat of losing monsters in the process from attacking into

 

 

If you summon it with Great Fortress Zelos, as you generally will anyway, it'll be in attack position. So, irrelevant.

I was commenting on the self summon effect, Zelos and Boss Rush summoning this will make it more impressive than any other past B.E.S. monster but in the situations that it isn't buffed and summoned itself it gives the opponent a turn when it is in defense position

 

EDIT: Not sure how competitive this would be, but special summoning this, then special summoning something with zelos before you put down boss rush means that you can still normal summon the coin flipping B.E.S. and give it more counters than it has had before

[Blake]

If you summon it with Great Fortress Zelos, as you generally will anyway, it'll be in attack position. So, irrelevant.

It's a self-summoning Level 8.

 

its not like it's without merit in other decks, but being unable to go + by battle before Xyz/whatever is definitely a downside.

 

In context of meme decks like BES, yeah, but it does matter a good bit in general.

[Delibirb]

It's a self-summoning Level 8.

 

its not like it's without merit in other decks, but being unable to go + by battle before Xyz/whatever is definitely a downside.

 

In context of meme decks like BES, yeah, but it does matter a good bit in general.

You misunderstand. Because it has a downside of being in defense position when summoned by it's own effect, it won't be used very much in non-Boss Rush decks, or if it is, it'll be solely as summoning Material because of it. And in Boss Rush decks, they'll use Zelos, so it'll be in attack position.

 

Either way, the fact that it summons itself in defense position is irrelevant, because it either won't matter for its user or it won't be summoned with its own effect.

[Blake]

You misunderstand. Because it has a downside of being in defense position when summoned by it's own effect, it won't be used very much in non-Boss Rush decks, or if it is, it'll be solely as summoning Material because of it. And in Boss Rush decks, they'll use Zelos, so it'll be in attack position.

 

Either way, the fact that it summons itself in defense position is irrelevant, because it either won't matter for its user or it won't be summoned with its own effect.

That's not the point you presented, at all. You presented a single statement with no indication of "it'll only be used in boss rush".

 

My point, which counteracts your last point, is that the DEF summon is relevant. Being able to get a quick bit of value via battle is an important thing, and the fact that this comes down defensively means it's ONLY fodder in those situations, which makes it much less useful.

 

Sure, battle point is a bit niche, but it's still important for fodder cards to have a means to an end/have the ability to be outs. It's part of why Angel Trumpeter is a good card.

[Just Crouton]

60 mash can finally easy-swing over 2500

 

rip lord gaia

[Delibirb]

That's not the point you presented, at all. You presented a single statement with no indication of "it'll only be used in boss rush".

 

My point, which counteracts your last point, is that the DEF summon is relevant. Being able to get a quick bit of value via battle is an important thing, and the fact that this comes down defensively means it's ONLY fodder in those situations, which makes it much less useful.

 

Sure, battle point is a bit niche, but it's still important for fodder cards to have a means to an end/have the ability to be outs. It's part of why Angel Trumpeter is a good card.

The statement "As you generally will anyway" does imply my indicating it'll only be used in Boss Rush.

 

And I see your point. I am telling you that the DEF summon is not relevant precisely because it will only be used as fodder as a result, if that - outside of Boss Rush decks, of course.

 

It cannot be used to battle in decks that want it to be fodder, so it won't be, and therefore, it is irrelevant what position it enters in.

 

I think you may be under the impression that I think it will be good fodder; I do not. I in fact agree with you that it won't be used very much because it summons itself in defense position. But the summon position is irrelevant to decks that will use it because they have other methods or intentions, and it's irrelevant to decks that don't want to use it because they won't be using it.

[notcleverusername]

Reminder that summoning this in DEF and another BES via Zelos has reasonably good chance of being more useful/resilient than just summoning this in ATK

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The statement "As you generally will anyway" does imply my indicating it'll only be used in Boss Rush.

 

And I see your point. I am telling you that the DEF summon is not relevant precisely because it will only be used as fodder as a result, if that - outside of Boss Rush decks, of course.

 

It cannot be used to battle in decks that want it to be fodder, so it won't be, and therefore, it is irrelevant what position it enters in.

 

I think you may be under the impression that I think it will be good fodder; I do not. I in fact agree with you that it won't be used very much because it summons itself in defense position. But the summon position is irrelevant to decks that will use it because they have other methods or intentions, and it's irrelevant to decks that don't want to use it because they won't be using it.

What do you think relevant means?