Sleepy Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 dark armed dragon's armor (his deck) was taken away, now with the arribal of an old friend (chaos sorcerer) he's going to scape destruction by joining forces with its previews rival (LS) and make an allianse as never before has it been done outside of forbidden territories.... yeah I can predict lightsworn what the only deck that wasn't touched in this list.... but its not as hard to defeat as Tele DAD was..so we might still have some hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So can anyone else see a return of gadget builds? You mean solely because of Ultimate Offering going to 2? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So can anyone else see a return of gadget builds? You mean solely because of Ultimate Offering going to 2? Hell no. What the hell? Who used UO in gadgets? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Summon Gadget get other + UO, Summon Gadget get other + UO, you get the picture :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So can anyone else see a return of gadget builds? You mean solely because of Ultimate Offering going to 2? Hell no. What the hell? Who used UO in gadgets? LOL What else could you have possibly been referring to? None of the Gadgets are dark or light. None of them are beasts, winged beasts, or beast warriors. They activate when summoned, so PoC doesn't help them. They're not flips, so Book of Moon doesn't help them. Why would Gadget builds be returning? For the same reason you insist Monarchs will? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So can anyone else see a return of gadget builds? You mean solely because of Ultimate Offering going to 2? Hell no. What the hell? Who used UO in gadgets? LOL What else could you have possibly been referring to? None of the Gadgets are dark or light. None of them are beasts' date=' winged beasts, or beast warriors. They activate when summoned, so PoC doesn't help them. They're not flips, so Book of Moon doesn't help them. [i']Why would Gadget builds be returning? For the same reason you insist Monarchs will? <_<[/i] HAR HAR. Give it a rest. It's a slowER meta and these decks come back into the running. I'm not 100% on Gadgets, but Monarch builds are a definite. So yeah. Watch and see instead of calling me out KTHX. ;] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I personally believe Crystal Beasts are going to rule the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartorius Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I personally believe Crystal Beasts are going to rule the meta. I see <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Before anyone complains about Baboon and Behemoth there is some information going around about new rulings for the two cards. First, Baboon gets a nerf because his effect cannot activate during the damage step. Second, Behemoth is a once per duel deal meaning once 1 activates the effect the others can't. Bestarii at 1 was a necessary maneuver, in my opinion. As soon as we get Gladiator Beast Samnite the focus of a GB deck will dramatically change. Samnite is a Level 3 Beast meaning he's compatible with Rescue Cat's effect. Rescue Cat -> Saminte+Test Tiger can churn out fast Heralk's. If Bestarii was still unlimited than GB's would have Gyaz plays as well as fast Heralk plays, which would have been overwhelming. The only thing they've done with the limitation of Bestarii is change the focus of the deck from Gyaz back to Heralk. However, getting Heralk faster is a much better move then any Gyaz play. Did I mention that Samnite can tutor GB cards from your deck? Meaning he can tutor in GB War Chariot and then contact fused for Heralk giving GB's stronger lock down options. I could definitely see Monarchs gaining more momentum with this ban list but not sure what incarnation they will take. Oppression Gadget/Monarchs return maybe? Depends on how fast the swarming becomes but they may be able to get away with Ultimate Offerings and double Raiza's with PWWB's for some nasty draw screwing and with draw power/tutoring taking hits it might be harder to get out of those draw slumps. As for the future of DAD decks I forsee them transforming into Twilight decks that focus more on a control game then a speed game. Thunder King Raioh's for beat sticks and control over Special Summoning, Royal Oppressions to slow things down, and the loss of 1 DAD gets replaced with Chaos Sorcerer. You still have the D-Draw and Allure engine in there so it's still a relatively fast deck but the priorities have changed. The majority of the ban changes were necessary and will definitely have an impact on the game. It'll slow things down for sure but the impact of Chaos Sorcerer's return is big and I don't like where he's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Bestarii at 1 was a necessary maneuver' date=' in my opinion. As soon as we get Gladiator Beast Samnite the focus of a GB deck will dramatically change. Samnite is a Level 3 Beast meaning he's compatible with Rescue Cat's effect. Rescue Cat -> Saminte+Test Tiger can churn out fast Heralk's. If Bestarii was still unlimited than GB's would have Gyaz plays as well as fast Heralk plays, which would have been overwhelming. The only thing they've done with the limitation of Bestarii is change the focus of the deck from Gyaz back to Heralk. However, getting Heralk faster is a much better move then any Gyaz play. Did I mention that Samnite can tutor GB cards from your deck? Meaning he can tutor in GB War Chariot and then contact fused for Heralk giving GB's stronger lock down options.[/quote']You only need to one Bestarii to get out Gyaz turn 1. Even with out that combo 1 Bestarii doesn't change much since he's never hard to get out thanks to GBs taging in and out, and Darius bring back any loss ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Well now a bottomless trap hole can completely remove Gyzarus from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You only need to one Bestarii to get out Gyaz turn 1. Even with out that combo 1 Bestarii doesn't change much since he's never hard to get out thanks to GBs taging in and out' date=' and Darius bring back any loss ones.[/quote'] It still makes getting Gyaz out less consistent then what it use to be. You're now relying solely on 1 copy of Bestarii for Gyaz and when Bestarii is RFG'd due to BTH, D.D. Crow, Chaos Sorcerer, or any other RFG mechanic your left with 1 less option in the game. It's still a hit to the archetype regardless of how major or minor it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You only need to one Bestarii to get out Gyaz turn 1. Even with out that combo 1 Bestarii doesn't change much since he's never hard to get out thanks to GBs taging in and out' date=' and Darius bring back any loss ones.[/quote'] It still makes getting Gyaz out less consistent then what it use to be. You're now relying solely on 1 copy of Bestarii for Gyaz and when Bestarii is RFG'd due to BTH, D.D. Crow, Chaos Sorcerer, or any other RFG mechanic your left with 1 less option in the game. It's still a hit to the archetype regardless of how major or minor it is. Cutting Bestiari to one WILL be a hit to Glads, but that's not the problem. The problem is that Gyzarus is a banworthy card, and it doesn't make sense to cut up the rest of the deck when with one ban, it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I personally believe Crystal Beasts are going to rule the meta. No no, think broader like Sartorius. Crystal-Monarchs. There's a SJC Topper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 im fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Cutting Bestiari to one WILL be a hit to Glads' date=' but that's not the problem. The problem is that Gyzarus is a banworthy card, and it doesn't make sense to cut up the rest of the deck when with one ban, it's fine.[/quote'] Regardless of what you do with Gyaz or Bestarii you still hit Glad's. They either lose a broken fusion that can help open the game to their favor or lose the versatility of a card that can fuse into the broken fusion. If Gyaz was banned then at best people would run 2 Bestarii's, which doesn't really net you any significant dvantage since he's a sitting duck after being tagged in to destroy a spell/trap unless you have him protected with trap cards. Even then you're still not in the best position if your opponent just plops down some impressive monsters that have built in protection. The next big move for gladiators is to fuse into Heralk as fast as possible and they've gotten that through Samnite and Rescue Cat. So either way you're looking at some aspect to them being exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Regardless of what you do with Gyaz or Bestarii you still hit Glad's. They either lose a broken fusion that can help open the game to their favor or lose the versatility of a card that can fuse into the broken fusion. If Gyaz was banned then at best people would run 2 Bestarii's' date=' which doesn't really net you any significant dvantage since he's a sitting duck after being tagged in to destroy a spell/trap unless you have him protected with trap cards. Even then you're still not in the best position if your opponent just plops down some impressive monsters that have built in protection. The next big move for gladiators is to fuse into Heralk as fast as possible and they've gotten that through Samnite and Rescue Cat. So either way you're looking at some aspect to them being exploited.[/quote'] Except it's not the banlist's job to hit Glads. It's the banlist's job to hit broken cards. Gyzarus is broken, and making it easier to prevent a second Gyzarus from occuring does not change Gyzarus's banworthiness. Likewise, Bestiari is not broken, and being the material for a broken fusion does not make him any more broken, though most definitely more playable. Therefore, in order for the banlist to fulfill its job, it must ban Gyzarus, while leaving Bestiari untouched. Remember, playability is determined by the current meta, but banworthiness is determined upon the so-called "perfect meta." Otherwise, our banlist will always be one format too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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