Should americans keep the right to carry guns?

[Xing]

False again. War actually boosts the economy. Unless it's being fought in your country.

 

I don't get it, war makes you lose money. Which worsens

[KaiBrereton]

Im gonna step in here. I target OMGAKITTY. If i'm going to write a great big article, then im allowed not to use correct spelling and Grammar, and the economy is affected by war. If a government is gonna throw money into buying new equipment, then it is going to decrease the stability of the economy! Take Barac. He's going to throw a few more million into the Iraq conflict, in a bid to keep more soldiers alive, thus, unstabling the economy!

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

NO

 

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS:

 

GUY TAKES OUT GUN : DON'T MOVE OR I SHOOT.

YOU TAKE OUT GUN A POINT AT HIM: DON'T MOVE

THE GUY SHOOTS YOU' date=' AND YOU SHOOT HIM. BOTH DEAD!!!!!!!!

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The odds of your reflexes being identical are next to none; one or the other would have killed the other before they could pull their trigger.

Next to none is higher then none

In which case, the double death would be your own fault.

 

Your second statement defeats your own argument.

what statement

ALSO' date=' GUNS LAWS ARE DIFFERENT IN VANCOUVER AND WE HAD 12 SHOOTINGS IN FEBRUARY ALONE.[/quote']

 

The necessity to use all-caps indicates overcompensation in a flawed argument.

Or the fact that caps lock is on

So why did you not bother to correct it, if not to subconsciously overcompensate?

 

Im gonna step in here. I target OMGAKITTY. If i'm going to write a great big article' date=' then im allowed not to use correct spelling and Grammar, and the economy is affected by war. If a government is gonna throw money into buying new equipment, then it is going to decrease the stability of the economy! Take Barac. He's going to throw a few more million into the Iraq conflict, in a bid to keep more soldiers alive, thus, unstabling the economy!

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EPIC LOLZ.

1. Grammar is win, and indicates that thought and effort was put into your post.

2. That said, a lack of grammar in the debate section is fail.

3. World War II ended the Great Depression, remember. War industries require many new jobs, and with the government paying your wages, you'll wind up with a lot more money. Unless permanent war industries exist, or only one company is used (I'm talking to you, Dick Cheney), war greatly improves the economy.

4. The use of the word "unstabling" invalidates your argument.

 

I repeat: the law is not omnipotent. I actually believe that a Prohibition-like effect would occur should such a law be instigated.

[OMGAKITTY]

Im gonna step in here. I target OMGAKITTY. If i'm going to write a great big article' date=' then im allowed not to use correct spelling and Grammar, and the economy is affected by war. If a government is gonna throw money into buying new equipment, then it is going to decrease the stability of the economy! Take Barac. He's going to throw a few more million into the Iraq conflict, in a bid to keep more soldiers alive, thus, unstabling the economy!

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You're so right, Kai. We wouldn't want to waste money on keeping our troops alive, that's just stupid.

 

+facepalm+

 

gtfo my internet.

[KaiBrereton]

what i said was against the rules, so i behaved myself and took it down! darn the rules!

[OMGAKITTY]

Learn to make coherent sentences. Then come back to debates.

[KaiBrereton]

shut up! why do you join a debate if your only going to be childish. i made some very good points, and you decide to argue that my grammar and spelling is incorrect. this obviously shows that you lack the skill to come up with any constructive critisism. on that note, i apologise to the head honchos, as again, i have broken the rules

[OMGAKITTY]

shut up! why do you join a debate if your only going to be childish. i made some very good points' date=' and you decide to argue that my grammar and spelling is incorrect. this obviously shows that you lack the skill to come up with any constructive critisism. on that note, i apologise to the head honchos, as again, i have broken the rules

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Why am I so critical of grammar and spelling? Because I don't want to have to read your sentence 5 times to decipher what you just said.

 

Protip: You can't be taken seriously until you learn to spell things correctly.

[Tekken Ham]

So I just skipped the reading most of the pages/posts outside of the first post. As a recreational shooter I find that gun control is appalling, considering the system is fine, it is only wrong when people ignore the laws.

 

First let me get this off my back, I shoot guns. I shoot for recreation. I shoot for competition. I plan on hunting. Then again I barely shoot actual guns. I shoot a bow, which in the state of Maryland, IS considered a firearm.

 

Gun control laws are already fine. At least in Maryland they are. Assault weapons and handguns are regulated by the State of Maryland and you have to register it. You also can't be a felon. The seller is also regulated and has to be registered.

 

* Is under 21.

 

* Has been convicted of a disqualifying crime.

 

* Is a fugitive from justice.

 

* Is a habitual drunkard.

 

* Is addicted to a controlled dangerous substance (habitual user).

 

* Suffers from a mental disorder and has a history of violent behavior against himself or another.

 

* Has been confined to a facility for more than 30 days for the treatment of a mental disorder.

 

* Is a respondent against whom a current non ex parte civil protective order has been entered under.

 

* If under the age of 30, has been adjudicated delinquent by a juvenile court for an act that would be a disqualifying crime if committed by an adult.

 

* Is visibly under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

 

* Is a participant in a straw purchase.

 

* For transactions occurring on or after January 1, 2002, has not completed a certified firearms safety training course conducted free of charge by the Police Training Commission or that meets the standards of the Police Training Commission.

 

You also have to meet those standards. There are more laws, but those are the basics.

 

Most people for gun control, cite that guns lead to violence and death. The OP says guns lead to suicide. Well guess what, alot of things can lead to death. Knives, blowtorches, lighters, ropes, scissors, water, etc. Should we regulate these things too? Anything in the hands of dangerous people can be used to kill people.

 

Firearms also have a good side that everyone ignores. Why do you ignore it? Because you are used to games like Halo, CoD, and other FPS games where you use guns to kill people. Those games are fun, but guns aren't JUST for killing people.

 

As mentioned above I shoot for recreation and competition. And hopefully later this year, I'm going hunting.

 

I compete at a local archery league. It's very fun, I do well, and I hope to move up to the adult league at the end of this season. Firearms, guns OR bows, gets me outside for fresh air. Shooting is a very fun sport for all ages.

 

And hunting. Hunting is pretty helpful in the community if you didn't already realize it. In Maryland it curbs the deer population so people don't end up in car accidents and most hunters will either eat the deer meat, or donate it to a local homeless shelter or another place where food is needed. There are multiple programs for this, and I hope to donate some food if I go hunting.

 

Firearms can be bad, but they can also be very good. The key here is to not always look at the murders, suicides, and gangs. But to look at the recreational side, the competitions, the hunting, and the fun you can have while shooting at targets.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

At no point did I act like I though I "was cool and that guns were awesome". I calmly stated my opinion, but then again you can interpret tone anyway you want. I am not some kid who thinks he's king of the world because I can shoot things. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. On the flip side, using your very own reasoning, you have never had a good experience with guns. You have only had bad experiences with them. These experiences have led your mind to demonize guns.

 

Your examples are also flawed.

First of all, you wouldn't carry your weapon in your hand bag. You would carry it in a holster, or your coat, or your pocket, or even your sock (these are not ridiculous examples, I know several people who have concealed weapons this way and have used them on several occasions to protect themselves and others.) Also, carrying it in your handbag would be the worst possible way to transport your firearm. It takes a while to get out (as you said) and chances are he'll steal the purse first effectively disarming you. And, as I suspect you'll make a comment about women not being able to wield weapons effectively, I'd like to inform you that smith and wesson makes a "lady smith" line of guns that are designed to fit a woman's hands.

 

The suicide exapmle is even more convuluted. Suicide was the result of their depression, not of owning a gun. The double chance of commiting suicide is rather vague in its presentation. To commit suicide they must succeed in ending their life correct? Guns double that because they are more lethal than other methods. You can save someone trying to strangle themselves or overdose if you find them fast enough and you get them medical attention. The presence of guns does not double the ATTEMPT rate. I'm sure if they had really been set on suicide, they would've found another means of death.

 

Your statistics on deaths were surprsing, I've seen alot of statistics, but never these. I request a link to a trustworthy website to confirm these as true.

 

I find your brash assumptions offensive and suggest you obtain more solid information about me before you jump to conclusions.

 

Remember, when you assume you make a you-know-what out of you and umption :)

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

If Cheese Pirate's examples are true, then we don't need any more gun control.

 

On the Atlantic coast, deer hunting for homeless shelters is among the most effective and fun charity organizations ever invented. It's even kind to the deer; this way, they won't slowly bleed to death after colliding with a car, but will end quickly, and still be a viable food source.

[Tabris]

To the above query:

 

Sure, guns kill.

 

So do razorblades, scissors, knives, etc.

 

Regulate their usage as well?

[OMGAKITTY]

To the above query:

 

Sure' date=' guns kill.

 

So do razorblades, scissors, knives, etc.

 

Regulate their usage as well?

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Well the answer is actually quite obvious. Objects don't kill, humans do. We must regulate humanity. NEURAL IMPLANTS FTW.

[Tabris]

To the above query:

 

Sure' date=' guns kill.

 

So do razorblades, scissors, knives, etc.

 

Regulate their usage as well?

[/quote']

 

Well the answer is actually quite obvious. Objects don't kill, humans do. We must regulate humanity. NEURAL IMPLANTS FTW.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

No, really.

[Dictator7]

Yes we should. If someone is going to commit suicide with a gun, and it is illegal, their going to do it anyway. [/align]

[Sander]

Yes we should. If someone is going to commit suicide with a gun' date=' and it is illegal, their going to do it anyway. [/align']

 

Again, banning guns will only bring up banning all the other things that could potentially kill humans. Thus, after banning all the other things that could kill/harm humans, we'd have to ban ourselves.

[OMGAKITTY]

Yes we should. If someone is going to commit suicide with a gun' date=' and it is illegal, their going to do it anyway. [/align']

 

Again, banning guns will only bring up banning all the other things that could potentially kill humans. Thus, after banning all the other things that could kill/harm humans, we'd have to ban ourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

Well the answer is actually quite obvious. Objects don't kill' date=' humans do. We must regulate humanity. NEURAL IMPLANTS FTW.

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[Dictator7]

Yes we should. If someone is going to commit suicide with a gun' date=' and it is illegal, their going to do it anyway. [/align']

 

Again, banning guns will only bring up banning all the other things that could potentially kill humans. Thus, after banning all the other things that could kill/harm humans, we'd have to ban ourselves.

 

Yes, that is very true.

[PrometheusMFD]

It is called the Second Ammendment

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[mr.tacos]

Wow.... americans are dum (not to be rasist)

[OMGAKITTY]

Wow.... americans are dum (not to be rasist)

 

Wow....you don't know how to spell dumb. (not to call you...well yes, actually I am calling you an idiot.)

[mr.tacos]

I meant to do that

[Fishncrabs]

yes, they should. i am an australian but we're basically the same :P

really, i dont think guns aren't a major source of killings. car crashes far outnumber people being shot, and murderers do not need a gun to kill someone.

i also think you have the right to protect yourself. sure, some people may abuse this and use a gun for criminal intent, but as i said, you don't need a gun to kill someone.

i once read people die more from coconuts falling off trees and onto people's heads than people dying by sharks per year.

really, guns are only a small part of death in my opinion. also, before people were opting for guns to be banned, was there really that many deaths? today, most people abuse guns because of drug influence. and yes, drugs kill more people than guns do.

 

in conclusion, i dont see why guns should be banned, as you can protect yourself and that they aren't a major cause of death. with the tight laws already, it is hard to use a gun for criminal intent anyway. so overall, i think we should all keep the right to carry guns.

[Navras]

well spoken, fishncrabs

[PrometheusMFD]

The second ammendment in the American Constitution was put into place in order for the US citizen to defend himself from any invading (or even domestic) government. In short, it was made so we could shoot politicians who are getting too powerfull. The question isn't whether or not guns are good, it is whether or not Fascism works, which it doesn't.

So yes, Americans should keep the right to own guns, [/topic]