RyanAtlus Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Reasons why it isn't good[-]Non-Chainable[-]Outclassed by Mirror Force, D-Prison, Sakuretsu Armor, ... Discuss[-]Place on the list[-]In which Decks CAN it be used? (Except for crapburn) Here you go, Fat Guy.I know you love discussing this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 It just annoyes me when people use this, Destorying the monster is 1000x better then this card i think (just me) but your best joke ever proves n00bs love the card they have to cheat for more :O Did i mention that i got D.D Warrior Lady today, such an awesome card :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Don't say burn decks suck dude...just because everybody and their grandmothers aren't on their knees, bowing to it like they do to top tier decks doesn't mean they suck.The card should go to two.It is, imo, one of the biggest reasons people win close games, because of a well timed cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Don't say burn decks suck dude...just because everybody and their grandmothers aren't on their knees' date=' bowing to it like they do to top tier decks doesn't mean they suck.The card should go to two.It is, imo, one of the biggest reasons people win close games, because of a well timed cylinder.[/quote'] True, my friend got cocky, and got the calculator to 8000 attack points, i had no monsters but 1 face down, attacked me, magic cylinders, he lost with 1 card o_O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 This card isn't all that bad as it negates a attack an burn as when I summoned a magma neos and managed to have it around 10000ATK and my opponent revealed this I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 This card isn't bad. It has uses outside Burn decks but it's not the kind of card that should be slapped into any Deck just because it inflicts damage. I'd side it....I do, actually in my Tournament deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Fat Guy Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 err, first, its tronta.second, i hate this card. my problem is people who say this is better in burn decks than in other decks, because it doesnt make sense. i think its a bad card for usage and for its inherent design. it rewards losing and punishes winning.turning around a game with 1 card to the point where you should have lost but instead your opponent who did almost everything right loses. and you, who only managed to set one card and nothing else, won. its trolly. [/troll] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 err' date=' first, its tronta.second, i hate this card. my problem is people who say this is better in burn decks than in other decks, because it doesnt make sense. i think its a bad card for usage and for its inherent design. it rewards losing and punishes winning.turning around a game with 1 card to the point where you should have lost but instead your opponent who did almost everything right loses. and you, who only managed to set one card and nothing else, won. its trolly. [/troll'] It punishes LOLATK. Never attack while there is a face-down Spell/Trap Card. It's rule #1 in any Beatstick's book. If it can ravage you of wins that badly, then side Barrel Behind the Door. This card should be at 3. Why? Because it's just the same as D.D. Warrior Lady, Raiza, and Chaos Sorcerer. They may be powerful, but they are needed. They punish bad play to begin with, and farm FUUUUUUUUUUUUU's out of players not expecting it. If a card is a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU' farmer, then it should be at least 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Outside of burn, this card is terribly outclassed. Hell, I'd run Saku over this crap outside of burn. People say non-chainability is the reason this isn't run, when the truth is that's only half the reason. Negating 1 attack and inflicting lolburn where burn isn't the win condition makes absolutely no sense, especially since this can get blown away before being activated. It's runnable in burn because a good burn deck can easily win in another turn or so after a big hit to the opponent via this, Blast Sphere, etc. It also belongs at 3 on a good banlist. tl;dr: Run it in burn. Don't run it outside of burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I run a Jinzo deck on Wi-Fi, because of this card. I start, do some radon movesThey go, set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.on my turn, I summon Jinzo Opponent turns the game off. Game, set, and match. tl;dr: Run it in burn. Don't run it outside of burn.Which is exactly the reason why this is still at 1.Since everyone and there grandma would run this in 3s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 They go' date=' set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.[/quote'] Gonna stop you right there. Play better d00dz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I run a Jinzo deck on Wi-Fi' date=' because of this card. I start, do some radon movesThey go, set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.on my turn, I summon Jinzo Opponent turns the game off. Game, set, and match.[/quote'] I DINT TRUN OF MAH BATTEREZ WER EMPYT!!!11!!!!! It must be funny to pwn n00bs from all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Activate one of the following effects:- Negate the attack of one of your opponent's monsters and inflict damage to the opponent's Life Points equal to double the ATK of the attacking monster.- Inflict 1000 damage to your opponent's Life Points. Your opponent cannot attack with the monster on their side of the field with the highest ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 They go' date=' set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.[/quote'] Gonna stop you right there. Play better d00dz.I run a Jinzo deck on Wi-Fi' date=' because of this card.[/quote']*cough*On Wi-Fi, you cant tell who you are up agenst.Although, you can in-fact remember the name of someone who turned the game off, since Konami gave Wi-Fi a "Turn down request" feature, that lets you ignore duel requests from the same person. Oh, and Polaris... there are, in fact, good players on Wi-Fi. Its just that the ratio of good players to bad/nooby players is like 1:79 I run a Jinzo deck on Wi-Fi' date=' because of this card. I start, do some radon movesThey go, set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.on my turn, I summon Jinzo Opponent turns the game off. Game, set, and match.[/quote'] I DINT TRUN OF MAH BATTEREZ WER EMPYT!!!11!!!!!I lol'd, since thats the same scam they usually use It must be funny to pwn n00bs from all over the world.Not really, facing 402+ people with the same 60+ card E-Hero/Dark Magician deck gets old pretty fastJ-Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 ITT : good players = trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Megacyber Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 In Burn Decks are BETTER choices. But this card is underated in this meta, it's really awesome (and easy to get) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 err' date=' first, its tronta.second, i hate this card. my problem is people who say this is better in burn decks than in other decks, because it doesnt make sense. i think its a bad card for usage and for its inherent design. it rewards losing and punishes winning.turning around a game with 1 card to the point where you should have lost but instead your opponent who did almost everything right loses. and you, who only managed to set one card and nothing else, won. its trolly. [/troll'] I'm still lol'ingso the game should be"Whoever gets ahead first deserves to win"because"should have lost" is a ygo concept that will ALWAYS make me lol uncontrollably when people say it.JD, and DAD would like a word with you, they can turn the game around for "just playing a broken-ass monster derp derp" <_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 dont run it outside of chain burn, garden burn, or lava burn. They go' date=' set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.[/quote'] Gonna stop you right there. Play better d00dz. i got stop u there. 70% of chain burns openning hand is exactly that 3-5 set cards. mainly because u get 3 draw cards and 1 burn or search card. the other % is ether a bad hand or playing nurse right off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I like Magic Cylinder...Then again, I'm used to running little monsters, so the extra damage can help.If I had more, I'd probably run it outside of my burn deck. But yeah, it doesn't get rid of the monster, so personally I think it's best in burn or in a stall deck. Of course, if you use Dimension Wall also in a deck, it'll make your opponent think twice about attacking you directly. I think the game needs more turn-around cards, because not everyone can stand up against an "LOL I'S GOTS FOUR LIGHTLORDS I BLOWS THE FIELDS" Dragon and expect to win after that.The game tends to get one-sided lately with all these stupid "broken" cards out, so I personally think we need more turn-around cards. As for its place on the list, simply because burn DOES exist as a plausible deck type, I think it should stay at 1.Yes, the opportunity to activate it sucks, and it doesn't reduce your opponent's field advantage, but it can do a LOT of burn damage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 ITT : good players = trollsSo true dont run it outside of chain burn' date=' garden burn, or lava burn. They go' date=' set 1 monster, and 4 face-down spell/traps.[/quote'] Gonna stop you right there. Play better d00dz. i got stop u there. 70% of chain burns openning hand is exactly that 3-5 set cards. To be honest Wolf, I usually get Heavy Storm right away, and there set cards are usually crap like Spellbinidng Circle, Negate Attack, Trap Hole, and some times Security Orb or Statue of the Wicked(Yes, they run it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Sir Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 This card should be at 3. Why? Because it's just the same as Chaos Sorcerer. They may be powerful' date=' but they are needed.[/quote'] Derp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Im really happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but Mirror Force is one of the best non-chainable traps ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Fat Guy Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 itt: my arguments are mostly ignored. @darkest hour, if all it took to stop an opponent from attacking permanently was to set 1 st a turn, this game would be hella stupid. you can attack while your opponent has set cards, you just have to realistically think of the worst case scenario before you do so. in this meta though, the worst thing youll likely run into is a roar. though occasionally a mirror force. my point is, if you pussy out every time your opponent sets something and you dont have mst or heavy or the 20 generic and st destroyers common atm, then you just.. well, suck. sometimes you dont have the luxury of the right card at the right time, and that requires you to stay flexible. the best duelists dont follow a set script, they adapt. the only rule #1 is dont forget to draw.rule #2 is dont forget to mill :P i also fail to see how raiza, dd warrior lady, and chaos sorcerer punish bad play. or why you think any of those should be at 3. (why is raiza at 3 again?) raiza does what? punish the opponent for allowing him to special summon a monster before normalling? or for not stopping the treeborn in his grave from reviving itself? and what? chaos punishes you for not... playing soul release?bad argument is bad. @arkelexplain to me how burn damage, once inflicted, is different from normal damage. does 4k burn + 4k direct not = game? i get the idea of one big push can be easily followed up in an average burn deck, but at the same time one big push can usually be followed up in any sort of deck that relies on attacking or inflicting damage, unless youre playing it wrong. especially ls, given honest. and blackwings given blackwing honest. and gbs and monarchs given their general destruction capabilities. @ polarisi set 4-15 cards a turn. flip trolls holmes. a lot of them are normal spell cards that i then activate, but numbers do not imply a poor play. obviously you mean that its bad to overextend, which it is, but if theyre all chainable immediately, and youre prepared for them to get heavyd (or even plan on it), then it isnt necessarily a bad play. @dark neosexplain why its better.also, its not underrated in this meta, its bad in this meta. the most youre going to do is 3k (judgment) and its more likely to get nuked. the biggest lolatkers in this meta have built in protection against trolls like cylinder. @des crowfirst, you seem to imply that i dont have a problem with jd and dad. theyre broken, yes, but: those both have conditions that have to be achieved. you cant just splash either into any deck. for jd, the entire deck's strategy has to focus around him. dad is splashable in primarily dark decks though, but hes becoming less popular.second, me admitting that i should have lost is funny? err, why? if my deck and dueling ability were inferior to my opponents, (except in the case of lucksackzodia), shouldnt i deserve to lose? is the premise of this game not that skill and strategy in deck construction and play are the determinants of who will win? or is it all random chance to you? do you believe that there is no skill involved, no one who deserved, not just should have, but deserved to lose?youre pretty funking stupid holmes. @father wolfwhy better in those specific burns? @shadow ferreti wish you had the eloquence to phrase that idea better. youre right, of course, but you make it sound like youre wrong. the game is about overpowered general destruction cards, and instead of limiting or banning them, konami is releasing more to compete with them, pushing out old or fun deck types in favor of a small set of elitest ones. theyre also trying to push the synchro agenda to correspond with the show. i just wish theyd push the earthbound agenda too. those look fun. too bad theyre terribad. @pikastop trolling.:P [/troll] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 @Fat Dude: =D i only really stated the really good burn decks. i know more exist but off the top my head those where top 3. @pika: you are and idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 @pika: you are and idiot. I lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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