Jericho Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I don't know why these things are always framed as a big dumb cage match. God vs Science. It's all relative. Science Point of View:God does not exist because you cannot prove it. We win. Religion Point of View:God exists because you cannot prove it. We win. Fundamentally' date=' you are using the same arguement against eachother. Rather than having me scroll through 27 pages of comments, enlighten me with more to your agruement, because so far this is all each side has offered.[/quote'] Religion says you can't disprove it. Therefore it might be true. Science says you can't prove it, therefore it is false. I side with science, but still take some of the basic teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicada Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 One of the guys at work was asking me why I became Muslim and I told him it is the path I must follow. I dont know sometimes what I should say, for me it is the path I must follow. What can I say to someone; I dont want to push what I believe, so how should I answer someone if ask, what is the right way to answer the questions? Sometimes I feel I dont give the right answers... Any clues what i can say ?. Praise be to Allaah. Firstly: We ask Allaah to accept your Islam and to make you steadfast in adhering to the truth, and to guide you to that which He loves and which pleases Him. You should understand that you have followed the right path, and that Islam is the religion of sound human nature (al-fitrah), the religion of security and happiness. This is felt by everyone who belongs to this great religion, but it is felt most by those who were drowning in the darkness of ignorance, misguidance and disbelief. The one who utters the Shahaadatayn feels something in his heart that cannot be described to anyone, hence most of them are overcome with tears of joy and happiness. Undoubtedly Allaah has given Islam a flavour and has given faith sweetness. This is what is stated in the texts of our religion. This flavour and sweetness is tasted by everyone who believes in Allaah as his Lord, Islam as his religion, and Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as his Prophet. Secondly: The one whom Allaah honours by bringing him into Islam may have reasons for entering it that no one else has, and he may see aspects in it that no one else sees. That is because of the greatness of this religion, and the many aspects of good that there are in it, and the fact that it is suitable for all classes of people, in all environments and all cultures. Hence a person who enters this great religion may mention reasons for doing so that no one else usually mentions, but all of them are correct answers that speak of their reality and the reality of Islam itself. You can read some of these answers and benefit from them. We would like you to tell us your own feelings and the reason why you entered this religion, because it tells us about your situation and you are best able to express that. There is no reason why we should not mention some of the reasons why other people have become Muslim; there may be something in common between you and them. 1. A Bedouin was asked: Why did you become Muslim? He said: I have never seen any word or deed that reason regards as good or sound human nature (al-fitrah) indicates is right but Islam encourages it and enjoins it and the Lord of Glory permits it. And I have never seen anything that reason sees as bad and sound human nature indicates is wrong, but Allaah prohibits it and forbids it to His slaves. 2. Robert Dixon, the head of the American Lawyers’ Association, said: My answer to the one who asks me why I became Muslim is: Islam is the religion of monotheism, happiness, peace of mind and dignified living, if I adhere to it and apply its teachings. It is the religion of divine justice. 3. Muhammad Asad, the Austrian politician and author, said: It was not any particular teaching that attracted me, but the whole wonderful, inexplicably coherent structure of moral teaching and practical life programme. 4. Sylvie Fawzy, a French lady who became Muslim, said: In Islam I found a way of life that answers all questions and organizes man’s life in a way that benefits him and is suited to his nature, with regard to his clothing, his food, his work, his marriage, his choices in life, and his relationship with others. So it comes as no surprise that the one who adheres to Islam feels content and secure, which in my opinion are the most important factors in life. 5. Umm ‘Abd al-Malik, an American Muslim woman, said: I was amazed by the way in which Islam raised the status of parents. 6. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: An Indian philosopher studied the history of all religions, and he conducted an independent, fair-minded study. He studied Christianity at length, because of the power, influence and prominence in the arts and industry of the nations that claim to be Christian. Then he examined Islam, and realized that it is the true religion, and he became Muslim, and he wrote a book in English called “Why I became Muslim,” in which he described what he saw as the advantages of Islam over other religions, one of the most important of which was: Islam is the only religion that has a true, preserved history. The one who follows it knows that this is the religion that was brought by Muhammad ibn ‘Abd-Allaah, the unlettered Arab Prophet who is buried in Madeenah al-Munawwarah in Arabia. He was astonished that Europe would allow itself to follow a religion which raised the one after whom it is named from the status of a human being and made him into a god, when they know little of his history. The origin of these four Gospels is not proven, and their dates and authors are not known for sure. They only mention a few events of the history of Christ which happened – as they say – within a few days, and they do not mention anything much about this man’s upbringing, education, childhood or youth. But Allaah decrees what He wills. Fataawa al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (1/48 ). 7. Yusuf Khattab – a convert from Judaism to Islam – said, when he was asked why he had become Muslim: Because Islam is the religion of monotheism. I read a great deal about it and finally I was convinced that it is the way to Paradise. There are many words, which may be summed up as saying that Islam is the religion of sound human nature (al-fitrah), security, happiness, wise rulings, and lofty morals. Whoever compares Islam with other, distorted religions or human systems and laws will clearly see the difference, and that there is no room for comparison at all. 8. Mary Watson – an American woman with three academic degrees, one of which is in theology – describes the moment when the light of faith shone into her heart: I felt one night, as I was lying in my bed about to fall asleep, that something strange had settled in my heart. I sat up and said: O Lord, I believe in You alone, and I uttered the Shahaadah, and after that I felt peace and tranquillity envelop my entire body. Praise be to Allaah for Islam; I have never regretted that day which I consider to be the day of my birth. End quote. We advise you to read the book Islam and the World: The Rise and Decline of Muslims and its Effect on Mankind, by Shaykh Abul Hasan al-Nadvi and Islam at the Crossroads and The Road to Makkah by Prof. Muhammad Asad. All three books are available in English. We also advise you to read true stories of people who have been guided to the Straight Path and have submitted to Allaah. These stories explain how they were guided and what their first steps towards Islam were. You will find them by following this link: http://www.themwl.com/AlDaawa/default.aspx?ct=1&cid=7&l=AR We ask Allaah to make you steadfast in adhering to the truth and to help you to acquire beneficial knowledge and to do righteous deeds. And Allaah is the Source of strength. islamqa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 but still take some of the basic teachings Do you need God or religion to be a good person? Think carefully about your answer. If you say yes, shouldn't every atheist in the world be some kind of serial killer or rapist? If you say no, why should the idea of God or religion exist at all? If you have no answer, either think harder or consult one of those lolreligion books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 You don't need religion or God to be a good person. I look at the Bible more like the book of Aesop's Fables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 but still take some of the basic teachings Do you need God or religion to be a good person? Think carefully about your answer. If you say yes' date=' shouldn't every atheist in the world be some kind of serial killer or rapist? If you say no, why should the idea of God or religion exist at all? If you have no answer, either think harder or consult one of those lolreligion books.[/quote'] You don't have to be a serial killer or rapist to be a "bad person" :/Just because you aren't a depraved maniac doesn't mean you're a saint. There are middle grounds. And you again misinterpret the point of Christianity. The point isn't to "be a good person", the point is to realize that you are inherently flawed, but that Jesus died to spare you death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raelen Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 but still take some of the basic teachings Do you need God or religion to be a good person? Think carefully about your answer. If you say yes' date=' shouldn't every atheist in the world be some kind of serial killer or rapist? If you say no, why should the idea of God or religion exist at all? If you have no answer, either think harder or consult one of those lolreligion books.[/quote'] You do not need God in order to act good. Because Jesus sent his son Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins, we do not need to be "good little children" as long as we believe.If you were to believe that God is just a person in the sky who kills you if you break the rules, you wouldn't be a christian. Some other religions interpret the Bible in that way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 the point is to realize that you are inherently flawed, but that Jesus died to spare you death Cool stuff. So I can realize that Jesus died for me, and go around killing people (all the while, I still know Jesus died for me, that brave man), and then still be in bounds of following Christianity. Troll religion? As if! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 the point is to realize that you are inherently flawed' date=' but that Jesus died to spare you death[/i'] Cool stuff. So I can realize that Jesus died for me, and go around killing people (all the while, I still know Jesus died for me, that brave man), and then still be in bounds of following Christianity. Troll religion? As if! Lol, you have to want to follow the rules. Christianity allows for human error: It's entire basis is the concept of forgiveness. That's what makes it such a good religion. (If I was to be religious, I would most certainly be Christian or a lightly-practcing Muslim) The issue is not with the religion, but with the way many modern institutions that profess to uphold that religion behave. Ie. Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 the point is to realize that you are inherently flawed' date=' but that Jesus died to spare you death[/i'] Cool stuff. So I can realize that Jesus died for me, and go around killing people (all the while, I still know Jesus died for me, that brave man), and then still be in bounds of following Christianity. Troll religion? As if! Lol, you have to want to follow the rules. Christianity allows for human error: It's entire basis is the concept of forgiveness. That's what makes it such a good religion. (If I was to be religious, I would most certainly be Christian or a lightly-practcing Muslim) The issue is not with the religion, but with the way many modern institutions that profess to uphold that religion behave. Ie. Catholic Church. ^ Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 This is a rare time where I will respond to your comment with a post I made before in this thread. but still take some of the basic teachings Do you need God or religion to be a good person? Think carefully about your answer. If you say yes' date=' shouldn't every atheist in the world be some kind of serial killer or rapist? If you say no, why should the idea of God or religion exist at all? If you have no answer, either think harder or consult one of those lolreligion books.[/quote'] Do we need the Bible or The Catholic Church or... anything related to religion for that manner to uphold a good life? No. So why deal with these frivilous details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Some people going through a lot found peace through religion, so a few indeed do "require" religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Can you please bold, underline and italicize (sp?) the words "some" and "few"? Then I'll agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 No, because a good amount of people in poor conditions look to religion for guidance. Mental stability is as important as physical stability. Should we stop making vaccines for rare diseases barely received because it will only help a few? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisian Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 ...........so i'm a deacon ^^ alrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Some people going through a lot found peace through religion' date=' so a few indeed do "require" religion.[/quote'] People say they need religion when they really need counselling.No' date=' because a good amount of people in poor conditions look to religion for guidance. Mental stability is as important as physical stability. Should we stop making vaccines for rare diseases barely received because it will only help a few?[/quote'] Vaccines contribute to physical health, don't they? Or am I that behind the times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Both Jeebuses scare me - the gunslinger and the madman alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Some people going through a lot found peace through religion' date=' so a few indeed do "require" religion.[/quote'] People say they need religion when they really need counselling.No' date=' because a good amount of people in poor conditions look to religion for guidance. Mental stability is as important as physical stability. Should we stop making vaccines for rare diseases barely received because it will only help a few?[/quote'] Vaccines contribute to physical health, don't they? Or am I that behind the times?What I said was beyond you. Forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Bohner Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Both Jeebuses scare me - the gunslinger and the madman alike. I lol'd so hard... Maybe you non-hypocritical Christians aren't so insane. I mean, saying an invisible man in the sky created existence is... weird... but, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Both Jeebuses scare me - the gunslinger and the madman alike. o_O What in the world is a Jeebus? Did you mean to say "Bejesus"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Watch the Simpsons, Dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Any particular episode? Because I do watch the Simpsons. HINT: Provide Dark a YouTube link, and you won't have to explain anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Any particular episode? Because I do watch the Simpsons. HINT: Provide Dark a YouTube link' date=' and you won't have to explain anything.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Yeah, that's enough of an explanation. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 To Dark: I seem to remember comin' through a Bible translated into lolcat-speak, mentionin' that word: Jeebus. To the rest who said Simpsons: I watch it, but I've never come accross it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 To Dark: I seem to remember comin' through a Bible translated into lolcat-speak' date=' mentionin' that word: Jeebus. To the rest who said Simpsons: I watch it, but I've never come accross it.[/quote'] Homer calls in a fake pledge to PBS to get them to shut up so he can watch TV. They come to his house, so Homer seeks refuge in the Church. Lovejoy tells him he's sending him somewhere safe until the heat dies down. A missionary camp.But I don't even believe in Jebus.The plane takes off' date=' and Homer runs to the window.SAVE ME JEBUS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cl26POZGzA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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