How to Productively Comment on Topics

[CrabHelmet]

It has come to my attention that YCM is currently neck and neck with TCG Player in the race to become the worst Yu-Gi-Oh! site on the internet. Personally, I am never satisfied with settling for second place, and I'm sure nobody here does either, even though playing Yu-Gi-Oh! instead of Magic is inherently settling for second. At any rate, it's time to clarify exactly what does and doesn't make a good comment, so that we can finally come together and decisively overtake TCG Player once and for all.

From the outset, the best way to discuss a card is to restate its effect in your own words. When you do this, make sure that this change is purely an alteration of wording; it should not note any non-obvious applications of the card, nor should it call attention to a property of the card by analogy. If your restatement isn't an utter waste of time for anyone who read the card itself to read, you're doing it wrong. Once you've made this restatement, you can probably just end by saying "...so it's okay" or something similar. Don't elaborate on this or explain how you jumped from a formal statement of the effect to an evaluation of its quality. That's not necessary, and it would probably just confuse people.

Moreover, if a card is blatantly designed to be used with one specific set of other cards, state explicitly in your post that you probably should only use it with those other cards, because this is really productive and is very non-obvious. For example, in a discussion of Crystal Blessing, your post should begin by saying that you should not use it in a deck without a good number of Crystal Beasts. In fact, that's probably all you should say. After such an important and meaningful statement, trying to pack even more content into your post would probably overload IP.Board.

Secondarily, a complete post really just consists of stating the name of a single archetype with which the card works half-decently. Nothing else really needs to be said. This works even better if you follow this declaration by "[/topic]", because obviously nothing in the world could possibly be worth saying outside of your one-word post.

Sixth and lastly, never, under any circumstances, make any reference to card balance or proper list position. That requires too much thought and really isn't worth it. Instead, just make more posts saying it's a good card. That's much more productive.

Thirdly, when you create a topic, make the card being discussed a card that is vital and amazing in one decktype and utterly useless in all other decktypes, and is obviously so by design. Crystal Beast Sapphire Pegasus? Sure, it may be obviously great in Crystal Beasts and it may be obviously useless outside of Crystal Beasts, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a discussion on it. After all, once twenty-five of us have said that it's obviously great in Crystal Beasts and obviously useless outside of Crystal Beasts, we'll be able to truly feel how great it is in Crystal Beasts and how useless it is outside of Crystal Beasts. And when you come across such a topic, be sure to make a post stating the same obvious conclusion that everyone else has also posted and already knew before the topic was made. After all, if only twenty-four of us say exactly the same thing instead of twenty-five, the effect won't be nearly as strong.

To conclude, what YCM really needs are more topics about anime cards that would obviously be ridiculously overpowered if released. Once again, we need every single member of YCM to post in those topics saying that the card in question is broken. If you don't make a post echoing all of those other posts, the terrorists win.

First of all, when in doubt, throw in some repetitions of outdated and unfunny memes. By international law, any reference to Crystal Beasts must be immediately followed by the phrase "one of the bests decks". Maybe you should say the name of some terrible card like Shapesnatch, Boneheimer, Bubble Crash, Mechanical Snail, Bat, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, or Larvae Moth that everyone with an IQ exceeding that of a glass of water stopped laughing at long ago, and hope that just saying its name will cause hilarity to ensue. It doesn't even need to be on-topic; just randomly bring up the card for no good reason. Or make a topic about it, because what we really need is more Shapesnatch discussions. For bonus points, sarcastically act like the bad card in question is the greatest card ever. Because saying things that aren't true in a sarcastic manner is so clever, isn't it?

[byak]

You're so funny.

[ＴＨＥ ＧＯＤ ＯＦ ＯＢＥＬＩＳＫ]

Nah, YCM needs more bad decks in the "Your Deck" section.
owait

[BehindTheMask]

Ya know what Crab, I'm so glad that you thought of this before anyo....


[quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1290827266' post='4812516']
Can we have a rule implemented where the Original Poster of the Topic must highlight 2 things they want to discuss, when discussing Single Cards?

I looked at a few threads, where it was just a picture of the card and then the word "discuss."

Basically, this forces people to actually think about the card before posting, and gives a topic a direction.
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oh.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='InconsistentDecks' timestamp='1291672905' post='4834513']
Nah, YCM needs more bad decks in the "Your Deck" section.
owait
[/quote]
No, what we need is more bad cards posted in Realistic Cards. obv

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1291673725' post='4834537']
No, what we need is more bad cards posted in Realistic Cards. obv
[/quote]
Or better yet, both.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

No, what we need is more sarcastic comments and posts that only criticize other people's posts.

There is a need for people to post more productive and more expansive threads here, but that's not the only problem. And I don't believe a sarcastic thread is going to be the solution.

[Zkaiser]

All this thread does is prove to myself that I am a good poster.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1291674352' post='4834568']
No, what we need is more sarcastic comments and posts that only criticize other people's posts.

There is a need for people to post more productive and more expansive threads here, but that's not the only problem. And I don't believe a sarcastic thread is going to be the solution.
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nou

[.:pyramid:.]

didnt read thread, but good card is good?

[Coffee Black]

WE GET IT YOU HATE THIS PLACE
I'd say YCM edges out TCG Player.

[~British Soul~]

the one thing i find annoying is when a comment just says "No" that's almost the same as "+1 post count", so basically what i'm saying is that post a constructive comment or don't comment at all.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Crab Helmet is the Chuck Norris of YCM. Also, some people aren't that stupid, just that they find it fun to troll and hope for laughs, or just to relieve their own tensions due to their miserable, temporary existence.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='$super**$star**$silver$' timestamp='1291677148' post='4834678']
the one thing i find annoying is when a comment just says "No" that's almost the same as "+1 post count", so basically what i'm saying is that post a constructive comment or don't comment at all.
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This has been occuring a lot lately. People just quote a post with "lol" or a face, or even just go "lol" without quoting a post. It doesn't provide anything to the thread.

[ＴＨＥ ＧＯＤ ＯＦ ＯＢＥＬＩＳＫ]

[quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1291677217' post='4834681']
[b]Crab Helmet is the Chuck Norris of YCM.[/b] Also, some people aren't that stupid, just that they find it fun to troll and hope for laughs, or just to relieve their own tensions due to their miserable, temporary existence.
[/quote]

No.
Bruce Lee = God
Chuck Norris = God-Like

Crab Helmet =/= God-Like

[Catterjune]

We also need to keep posting and reposting the same cards to discuss over and over again, especially if they haven't gotten any errata or new support since the last time they've been posted about. I haven't read a topic about Breaker the Magical Warrior or Elemental Hero Stratos in a long time.

[Toffee.]

Lets try this again:
[quote]
I believe that Chimeratech Overdragon is a very useful card for the fact that it is not only a walking OTK, thanks to cards like Overload Fusion, but also makes for an overpowered version of Painful Choice, since any deck running a large number of Machine-Type can easily set your Graveyard up with any assortment of cards you wish to use. For example, you could run Overload Fusion in a deck that runs a lot of Tuningware/Darksea Rescue/Quillbolt for an alternative to your already-ridiculous-deck-that-abuses-De-Synchro. But with the logic that Konami implys, they cant even possibly think to put Future Fusion on the banned list, or ever think to ban Chimeratech.[/quote]

And the usual post that gets all the attention is:
[quote]
tl;dr: Chimeratech is an oxymoron[/quote]

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1291674352' post='4834568']
No, what we need is more sarcastic comments and posts that only criticize other people's posts.

There is a need for people to post more productive and more expansive threads here, but that's not the only problem. And I don't believe a sarcastic thread is going to be the solution.
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Based on the posts I've seen you make, you seem to agree with everything in the opening post, except without the sarcasm.

But hey, let's keep trying your genius plan of "Keep doing stupid stuff and never call people out on doing stupid stuff and hope the stupid stuff stops on its own". It's obviously been working so well so far, hasn't it? In fact, let's not call people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. Instead, let's whine about people calling people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. That's obviously the best option.

[Just Crouton]

[quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1291673725' post='4834537']
No, what we need is more bad cards posted in Realistic Cards. obv
[/quote]

YCM is waaaay ahead of the game in that department. What we need are regular RC people who make lots of cards, but know nothing about the actual game beyond watching GX.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1291682079' post='4834902']
"Keep doing stupid stuff and never call people out on doing stupid stuff and hope the stupid stuff stops on its own"[/quote]
[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1291682079' post='4834902']It's obviously been working so well so far, hasn't it?[/quote]
Look, I didn't mean for that topic about Barrel Dragon to turn into a random YCMeme.
........
Though you [i]did[/i] take part in it, only because it kept going for a while, eventually getting Hikaru to make a sticky about it.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1291682079' post='4834902']In fact, let's not call people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. Instead, let's whine about people calling people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. That's obviously the best option.
[/quote]
But you said it yourself we are competing to be "the worst yugioh site ever".
Wait, no, that was sarcasm.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1291682079' post='4834902']
Based on the posts I've seen you make, you seem to agree with everything in the opening post, except without the sarcasm.

But hey, let's keep trying your genius plan of "Keep doing stupid stuff and never call people out on doing stupid stuff and hope the stupid stuff stops on its own". It's obviously been working so well so far, hasn't it? In fact, let's not call people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. Instead, let's whine about people calling people out on making idiotic wastes of posts. That's obviously the best option.
[/quote]
Funny that you would respond to my post in the same way that I was implying we don't need responses in YCM. Please don't respond to my posts if all you're going to do is be rude and pick at everything I say..

I just don't think this thread is going to accomplish anything, especially since it's written in a smug manner. The people who follow the rules will follow the rules, and the people who are idiots and trolls will continue being idiots and trolls. Nobody is going to have a revelation from reading "If your restatement isn't an utter waste of time for anyone who read the card itself to read, you're doing it wrong." And unless this topic is pinned, it's just going to disappear anyways.

[Zkaiser]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1291682483' post='4834932']
Funny that you would respond to my post in the same way that I was implying we don't need responses in YCM. Please don't respond to my posts if all you're going to do is be rude and pick at everything I say..

I just don't think this thread is going to accomplish anything, especially since it's written in a smug manner. The people who follow the rules will follow the rules, and the people who are idiots and trolls will continue being idiots and trolls. Nobody is going to have a revelation from reading "If your restatement isn't an utter waste of time for anyone who read the card itself to read, you're doing it wrong." And unless this topic is pinned, it's just going to disappear anyways.
[/quote]
What a horrible thing to think. "Things will never change, so don't try."

Just making people aware is enough to cause a tiny shift. Also, if you can't take criticism then don't exist. You will be criticized your entire life.

[White Void]

I'm actually impressed anyone would compose a scathing piece of sarcasm that long for YCM in the first place...

[shadowferret]

I read it and all, and think that it is true most of the posts here in YCM are rather pointless and don't contribute. I agree with that, but...

...why'd you pick on Crystal Beasts? D=

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1291688308' post='4835193']
What a horrible thing to think. "Things will never change, so don't try."

Just making people aware is enough to cause a tiny shift. Also, if you can't take criticism then don't exist. You will be criticized your entire life.
[/quote]
No, I'm not saying things will never change, but this is definitely not the way to go to try and change them. This thread serves much more as a half-baked way of insulting the people of TCG than motivating them to be better.

There could be a small influence among already-thinking users in this section, but it isn't going to make much of a change. And I can take criticism, but there is no warrant for criticism, and especially so if that's the only thing that will be said in the post, and it would only make it worse if it was in a section dedicated to [i]card games[/i], seeing as that would have nothing to do with what is to be discussed. That wouldn't help anybody. Especially not me. When people are confronted in a rude manner, they become defensive,and that's how fights can start.