Sin Cyber End Dragon is no longer a walking OTK

[Toffee.]

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[quote]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by removing from play 1 "Cyber End Dragon" in your Extra Deck. There can only be 1 face-up "Sin" monster on the field. While this card is face-up other monster you control cannot attack. If there is no face-up Field Magic Card on the field, destroy this card.[/quote][/center]
Alright, so it no longer does piercing damage, sure. But its still a 4000ATK DARK Machine with an oh-so-easy Summoning requirement.
Also, the artwork looks awesome.
Discuss

[.Nu-13]

Badass

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292431306' post='4854433']
Badass
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......I just noticed you could use this as an excuse to make a Chaos-variant of Cyber Dragon.dek
O,o

[Mysty]

I'm disappointed at the lack of Piercing since I thought it really didn't need that kind of nerf (I personally thought it would just need the "Sin" nerfs), but it is still a 2-card (1-card if your opponent uses a Field spell) 4000 ATK monster that is more unlikely to be a dead draw than most of the other Sins.
I like it. I don't think this will hit the banlist.

EDIT: Arma, you spelled Sin wrong in the title, and it's even written in English in the card name.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1292431508' post='4854442']
I'm disappointed at the lack of Piercing since I thought it really didn't need that kind of nerf (I personally thought it would just need the "Sin" nerfs), but it is still a 2-card (1-card if your opponent uses a Field spell) 4000 ATK monster that is more unlikely to be a dead draw than most of the other Sins.
I like it. I don't think this will hit the banlist.[/quote]
Funny that you could use for Fortress fodder, if it ends up as a dead draw.

And yes, I'm aware of the typo I had made.
*fixed it*

[~British Soul~]

the fact that the monster needed for the summon of this card is in the extra deck, i think it's better than some of the other [s]Malefics[/s], er.... sorry i mean Sin monsters

[evilfusion]

Sin Cyber End doesn't have piercing. Exactly as I expected. It's still an excellent Sin monster, being an essential free 4000. The topic title made me worried that maybe it couldn't attack the turn it was summoned or something.

[HaouJudai]

whoa - incredible - very light on the nerf I see. I expected '...this card cannot attack your opponent's LP directly...' so this guy is very good. Let the OTK's begin!

[Toffee.]

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292432351' post='4854466']
Let the OTK's begin!
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It was only a walking OTK because it origionally had piercing.
It can still OTK with Limiter, sure, but now you have to put more effort into it.

[evilfusion]

Did anyone actually think Sin Cyber WOULD keep piercing. Even back when the card first surfaced as a concept, I expected it would not be given piercing if released in the OCG.

But now I wonder what Sin Rainbow will do/not do.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292433299' post='4854500']
Did anyone actually think Sin Cyber WOULD keep piercing. Even back when the card first surfaced as a concept, I expected it would not be given piercing if released in the OCG.

But now I wonder what Sin Rainbow will do/not do.
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Yes, we all knew the piercing part was ridiculous.
But with piercing, it pretty much made as much sense as an Earthboun Immortal.
Sin Rainbow would be interesting if it did the same thing as Rainbow Dragon, but with Sin monsters.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I'm pretty sure this card is still broken.

[Resident Fascist]

LOL I just can't wait to see this be Forbidden[/sarcasm]

Looks like I'll need to find that Cyber End Dragon somewhere in my binder >_>

LOL I just can't wait to see this be Forbidden[/sarcasm]

Looks like I'll need to find that Cyber End Dragon somewhere in my binder >_>

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

4k ATK Splashable s*** is still good IMO

When will it be realeased?
Willl it make it to WC11
This in Rinding DUels is Just Mean...

[Canadian]

It's still amazing. Run this in Machina Geartown to be awesome.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was upset about it not having pierce though. I was hoping at least one Sin monster would have been good enough to inspire people to play them competatively instead of being a bland tech or a bad theme.dek

[Brinolovania]

AT least it's a 4000 beater that doesn't make you run Rainbow Dragon

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292445509' post='4854984']
4k ATK Splashable s*** is still good IMO

When will it be realeased?
Willl it make it to WC11
This in Rinding DUels is Just Mean...
[/quote]
it will be released next February in both TCG and OCG (TCG 23rd, OCG 26th)

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Better then Sin Rainbow.

Plus, it's sideable if you want to have fun.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Lol staple in anything that runs a field spell maybe? Pretty good, lost the piercing damage but still a very good card.

[Mysty]

[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1292446742' post='4855040']
[b]I'm sure I'm not the only one who was upset about it not having pierce[/b] though. [i]I was hoping at least one Sin monster would have been good enough to inspire people to play them competatively instead of being a bland tech or a bad theme.dek[/i]
[/quote]

@bolded:
[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1292431508' post='4854442']
I'm disappointed at the lack of Piercing
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There you go. You're not the only one.

@italicized: most Sin monsters have a problem that is tough to work around: they require their counterpart monsters being in the deck. This isn't a problem for Sin Cyber End or Sin Stardust, and Sin Red-Eyes and Sin Blue-Eyes aren't so bad since maybe you could use Blue-eyes and Red-Eyes in your hand if you teched Ancient Rules for that purpose, but Sin Rainbow Dragon gets screwed since drawing Rainbow Dragon doesn't help you at all.
Building a Sin deck would be tough. I would imagine it would have to be able to run Royal Decree since Imperial Iron Wall ruins Sins. I would also think it would need an engine to be able to get the Field spell and be able to draw Sin monsters and throw the regular counterparts back. Sounds like a really tricky draw engine.

[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1292446742' post='4855040']
It's still amazing. Run this in Machina Geartown to be awesome.
[/quote]

Machina Geartown? Never heard of it, but I could imagine Gadjiltron Dragon being a better Monster Reborn for Fortress than Machina Force. I guess it's a natural thought process.
Wow, you can use this in Machina (Geartown) and keep your Solidarity. Sweet!

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Now all they do need to do for Sins to be a viable archtype is to:

Create searchers

Create draw engines

Create ways to send cards from hand to deck for draws

Create Field card that has self protection and searching powah

[Black W Mage]

running this in Crystal Beasts over Dragon Queen. eat that hamon.

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1292456253' post='4855611']
running this in Crystal Beasts over Dragon Queen. eat that hamon.
[/quote]
o u rebel

[Black W Mage]

[quote name='!' timestamp='1292457712' post='4855679']
o u rebel
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I'm also going to run only 1 Tiger in favor of 2 Debris Dragon.

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1292457853' post='4855688']
I'm also going to run only 1 Tiger in favor of 2 Debris Dragon.
[/quote]
...You're like, drifting away from the theme...but anyway.