Legend Zero Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I'll be testing this at my locals this weekend. I'll hopefully have good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1301000327' post='5094068'] I'll be testing this at my locals this weekend. I'll hopefully have good results. [/quote] You meant 1 of 3 things here. [list=1] [*]You're testing this build, meaning your locals allows you to proxy Lighton. O.o [*]Your locals has some sort of online element. O.o [*]You're testing your own build, or a slightly altered version of my build (same difference). [/list] Which is it? Well, regardless, testing is good. I need to track down opponents who can help me test against major threats, for practice and testing purposes. I should start looking soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1301000608' post='5094078'] You meant 1 of 3 things here. [list=1] [*]You're testing this build, meaning your locals allows you to proxy Lighton. O.o [*]Your locals has some sort of online element. O.o [*]You're testing your own build, or a slightly altered version of my build (same difference). [/list] Which is it? Well, regardless, testing is good. I need to track down opponents who can help me test against major threats, for practice and testing purposes. I should start looking soon. [/quote] I'm [i]decent[/i] at this game and could yvd you with meta stuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 .Kowalski faced me in 1 Duel with Fish (no time for a Match). He suggested finding room in the main for the MSTs, to stop Armory Arm/Ravine/Traps when I don't have Decree/Book, etc. [quote name='Batteryman ' timestamp='1301009291' post='5094471'] I'm [i]decent[/i] at this game and could yvd you with meta stuffs. [/quote] Honestly, anyone who knows how the decks work is good enough. Are you free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 yeah i am atm wait no i have to do archery in the backyard but then im free i could probably pretend to eat for long enough to do a duel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Batteryman ' timestamp='1301010646' post='5094558'] yeah i am atm wait no i have to do archery in the backyard but then im free i could probably pretend to eat for long enough to do a duel... [/quote] Go do your archery and just PM me when you're free. I'm doing stuff ATM too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1301010722' post='5094562'] Go do your archery and just PM me when you're free. I'm doing stuff ATM too. [/quote] ok i will. i was about to eat a retarded amount of turkey. wat stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='Batteryman ' timestamp='1301011101' post='5094582'] wat stuff [/quote] [list] [*]Story for Project East-West (indie game I'm working on). [*]Decktype Review for Duelist Weekly. [*]Some personal stuff. [/list] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1301011228' post='5094589'] [list] [*]Story for Project East-West (indie game I'm working on). [*]Decktype Review for Duelist Weekly. [*]Some personal stuff. [/list] [/quote] do want indie game never heard of a decktype review masturbation amirite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1301000608' post='5094078'] You meant 1 of 3 things here. [list=1] [*]You're testing this build, meaning your locals allows you to proxy Lighton. O.o [*]Your locals has some sort of online element. O.o [*]You're testing your own build, or a slightly altered version of my build (same difference). [/list] Which is it? [/quote] The first one....the "good" (those who know of OCG) players don't mind proxies. Although my locals is full of Decree. -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Faced Bowtie's Glads. Lost 2-1. Need something to handle stuff like D-Fissure. They screw me over. EDIT: Lost horribly to L6S. [quote name='Batteryman ' timestamp='1301013476' post='5094706'] masturbation amirite [/quote] At 8PM? Really? It was more stuff along the lines of "take a shower". [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1301017691' post='5094887'] The first one....the "good" (those who know of OCG) players don't mind proxies. Although my locals is full of Decree. -.- [/quote] OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 People usually have Dust Tornados sided for taking care of stuff like that. Since you have MST's already... maybe one extra Tornado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1301023885' post='5095096'] People usually have Dust Tornados sided for taking care of stuff like that. Since you have MST's already... maybe one extra Tornado? [/quote] Makes sense. I was hoping for something that wouldn't clash with Decree though. Something like Tornado/Double Cyclone/Twister. I also need to bump the Scarecrows back up to 3, to better block OTKs (drawing into them at 2 is hard, especially with Shi En blocking my Dupes and stuff that I use to deck-thin). [color="#FF0000"]20[/color] 3 Battle Fader 2 D.D. Crow 1 Dust Tornado/Double Cyclone/Twister/Tornado 3 Kinetic Soldier 1 Mirror Force 2 Mystical Space Typhoon 3 Smashing Ground 1 Solemn Judgment 3 Swift Scarecrow 1 Torrential Tribute >____> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Double Cyclone could be a good choice, I suppose. Since it also sets off your map. But other than that, it won't have as much use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1301024872' post='5095148'] Double Cyclone could be a good choice, I suppose. Since it also sets off your map. But other than that, it won't have as much use. [/quote] OK then, Double Cyclone it is. I can also use them on extra Decrees I draw. My testing today has convinced me that running Scarecrow/Fader, MST, Rai-Ohs, Morphing Jar and a second Fortress in the main has to happen, or I lose out on raw ATK and get overpowered for game. Do you see any space, or will I have to test the deck at 50 cards again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Main 1 MST, only use 1 Fader (if any), take out a King or 2... Don't need to run max of all the cards for them to be useful to the deck. You could possibly even run Trag over Fader, since he has raw power and can manipulate his level for Synchros, as well as snatch monsters. Other than that, I don't know enough about Morphs to suggest removing any. It's hard to pick cards that are possible to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1301034009' post='5095279'] Main 1 MST, only use 1 Fader (if any), take out a King or 2... Don't need to run max of all the cards for them to be useful to the deck. You could possibly even run Trag over Fader, since he has raw power and can manipulate his level for Synchros, as well as snatch monsters. Other than that, I don't know enough about Morphs to suggest removing any. It's hard to pick cards that are possible to be removed. [/quote] Trust me, knowing Morphs wouldn't help in the slightest. :/ In any case, why just the 1 MST? I suppose I don't have the slots to main 2 MST, but that means that the extra copy now has to be pushed into the Side Deck. I won't draw the MSTs in game 1 if I just run 1, so I may as well side both again until I find room for both. In any case, I know from testing that the ideal number for Fader/Scarecrow is 3, since I draw them almost every game. However, cutting them to 2 doesn't hurt much, I just have to settle for a reasonable about of drawing them instead of always having them there. Having it at 1 won't solve much, as I literally have a time when I wish it was in my hand every duel. Clearing my field out seems to be so easy it's sad. Using similar logic with Rai-Oh, it's best to have him [i]before[/i] my opponent sets up, right? So I should run 2 as the minimum. I can't really use Trag for the same reason as Brio. He be good in most decks, but this one has hands that are consistently small to the point that I could probably run random Infernities in here and expect them to work. 3 cards is the most common amount, which is one of the reasons why I'm testing Morphing Jar in here. On top of that, my levels aren't exactly optimal for use of Trag's effect. I have a bunch of LV1s and 3s, a handful of LV4s, a pair of LV7s, and MCED. Most monsters I'd want to snatch don't have those levels. The only time Trag would be particularly stellar is when Fortress is in the grave when I have Lighton, since that means I get a LV8 Synchro. That said, I'll give it the same fair test I gave to Brionac. I can probably make do with 1 Lighton. I only use 2 because it's a bit more convenient. In short, these changes were made: Starting Deck Count: [color="#FF0000"]50[/color]/15/15 Changes: -1 Fader -1 Rai-Oh -1 Lighton Both MST to Side Deck Testing Trag over 1 Fader Resulting Deck Count: [color="#FF0000"]45[/color]/15/[color="#FF0000"]17[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Fader is a lot worse than Scarecrow here :/22 1 Machina Gearframe 2 Machina Fortress 1 Morphing Jar 1 Morphtronic Boarden 3 Morphtronic Boomboxen 3 Morphtronic Celfon 1 Morphtronic Lighton 3 Morphtronic Radion 3 Morphtronic Remoten 2 Morphtronic Scopen 1 Sangan 1 Swift Scarecrow 15 1 Book of Moon 1 Dark Hole 3 Junk Box 1 Limiter Removal 2 Machine Duplication 1 Monster Reborn 2 Morphtronic Accelerator 3 Morphtronic Map 1 One for One 3 3 Royal Decree 15 1 Ancient Fairy Dragon 1 Ancient Sacred Wyvern 1 Armory Arm 1 Black Rose Dragon 1 Formula Synchron 1 Gaia Knight, the Force of Earth 1 Karakuri Shogon mdl 00 "Burei" 1 Red Dragon Archfiend 1 Red Nova Dragon 1 Scrap Archfiend 1 Shooting Star Dragon 1 Stardust Dragon 1 T.G. Hyper Librarian 1 Thought Ruler Archfiend 1 XX-Saber Gottoms 15 2 Thunder King Rai-oh 2 Swift Scarecrow 2 Double Cyclone 2 Kinetic Soldier 1 Mirror Force 2 Mystical Space Typhoon 1 Solemn Judgment 2 Swift Scarecrow 1 Torrential Tribute i like this better and its got good numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Uhh, just wondering where you found the spa- *notices Valley and MCED are gone* Oh. [i]That's[/i] how you did it. I like that version, Imma try it (I'll edit it into the OP after trying it out a bit). *tests* It's good. Really good. Testing that just reminded me why I ran 2 Lighton. 2 Lighton >>>> 1 Lighton, since it's a pain to pull it out without using One for One with just 1, and I can use it to easily pull out Formula and such, as well as use for Remoten's search effect, and as an emergency 3rd Dupe target. Need to squeeze it in somewhere... Editing OP with that build. I'll start testing against top decks again after I find out if I can squeeze the second Lighton back in. EDIT: It sides 4 Swift Scarecrows. O.o EDIT2: No space for the second Lighton. That was expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Sorry lol add something else in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [quote name='Batteryman ' timestamp='1301084290' post='5095985'] Sorry lol add something else in [/quote] I did. Smashing Ground to kill Vanity's Fiend/Archlord Kristya. They stop me nearly completely unhindered otherwise. In any case, I tested it. Consistency has gone up. A lot. I faced L6S, and only lost the match due to my own misplays due to my inexperience in handling Shi En (using Limiter on Fortress when it would have been smarter not to, etc). So this is good. Now I'm back to testing against major dectypes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 It seemed to test good against me. I just got lucky, and also use a ton of removal in my deck. I was worried I'd lose a lot of times. If it weren't for a few misplays, you likely would have beat me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Most of my losses seem to be from misplays now. So now I should focus on getting more than 3-5 hours of sleep per day on weekdays (I sleep ~12 hours on weekends). Also, I need to practice more with this build. The main feels very complete. I do less explosive plays, but it has more stability, which is good. So it's mainly the Side Deck that I need to test now, as well as practicing more with the deck. It's astonishing how much feels different when running this deck with just a few adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Well I only got one match in with the current build, but here's what happened. Game 1: I get Celfon and Dupe to open, but never reveal a Tuner or Boomboxen. Opponent swarms with his BWs. I get a lucky break from a topdeck'd 2nd junk box and go into a Black Rose nuke.... Couldn't get any advantage after that. D: Game 2: Fortress equip with Gearframe and Wyvern by turn 2 really set the pace...Decree first turn also saved the day. BWs had no chance after getting Armory Arm out as well. =3 Game 3: I get a lucky Black Rose nuke to clear the field (along with Map) to get Celfon back, after some weird shenanigans I pull out SSD = GAEM NOTES: I never drew Accelerator when I needed it. Decree cock blocks Icarus like a boss. Sangan sucks against Bora. Morphing jar helped him out more than me. =/ Will go back again on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1301101655' post='5096666'] Well I only got one match in with the current build, but here's what happened. Game 1: I get Celfon and Dupe to open, but never reveal a Tuner or Boomboxen. Opponent swarms with his BWs. I get a lucky break from a topdeck'd 2nd junk box and go into a Black Rose nuke.... Couldn't get any advantage after that. D: Game 2: Fortress equip with Gearframe and Wyvern by turn 2 really set the pace...Decree first turn also saved the day. BWs had no chance after getting Armory Arm out as well. =3 Game 3: I get a lucky Black Rose nuke to clear the field (along with Map) to get Celfon back, after some weird shenanigans I pull out SSD = GAEM NOTES: I never drew Accelerator when I needed it. Decree cock blocks Icarus like a boss. Sangan sucks against Bora. Morphing jar helped him out more than me. =/ Will go back again on Sunday. [/quote] Those results sound about right. Except, in my testing, Jar's effect is essentially just "FLIP: Draw 5.", since my hands are empty a lot for some reason. Thanks for testing that on my behalf. I never ended up running into BWs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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