Chaos Dralcax Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Is the card Lightning Vortex a worthy replacement for the banned Raigeki? [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090202033112/yugioh/images/8/87/LightningVortexSDRL-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://www.decodeunicode.org/data/glyph/196x196/003D.gif[/img][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070121201847/yugioh/images/4/4d/RaigekiDB1-EN-UR-UE.jpg[/img][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Question_mark.PNG[/img] Infernity Decks obviously wouldn't do well with it, but, a deck that revolves around using the Graveyard, either through Special Summoning or Soul Exchange or simply putting certain cards in the Graveyard, it might be better than Raigeki. For most decks it would just be another drawback as not to overpower the cards. For decks that revolve around your "hand count" (Since Slifer cannot be used in a duel, I can't name an example at the moment), it would be inconvineint, especially if your hand is running low. So what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I prefer Dark Hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I run 3... cuz Dark Hole comes at a 1/8th chance to pull, and I don't really need a lot in my hand, this is a much better alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Well, Dark Hole trumps it off the bat. LV has a discard cost. LV only destroys faceup monsters. Raigeki has no cost Raigeki destroys all opposing monsters. Vortex isn't terrible, but it relies on the opponent having 2 or more monsters just to even out the card advantage (-2 to play the card). Also, Stardust Dragon makes the card much harder to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 The game is too fast nowadays to allow you to lose 2 cards for LV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 This was limited once Still an amazing card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Shows how fast the game is now. Also, Shi En. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Dark Hole outclasses this card. Although this can have some uses cause of the discard. It's often never worth it. Monsters aren't that hard to get rid of anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 LV is a load of Trubbish. I Prefer Dark Hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Dralcax Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1308081748' post='5283205'] I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. [/quote] Dark Hole is good, and the Sphinxes are terrible. Even if you hit yourself a bit with Dark Hole, the aim is to hit the opponent harder. It also works well with Dandylion, Meklords, Sangan, and any effect needing destruction or sending from field. In short, Dark Hole is good, LV Is not. OT: Way too slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1308081748' post='5283205'] I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. [/quote] Opponent ends. You draw. You play Dark Hole. Opponent has no monsters, you haven't Normal Summoned. Shenanigins ahoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1308081748' post='5283205'] I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. [/quote] This is going in my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1308081748' post='5283205'] I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. [/quote] Action Failed: you have reached your quota for negative votes for the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Why the negs guys? He's just another one of those kids that thinks BEWD is the best card ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Haha I remember why this's bad. In any situation where this'd be a +anything they've won already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308092205' post='5283624'] Why the negs guys? He's just another one of those kids that thinks BEWD is the best card ever. [/quote] *Mashes Neg Button* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 +REP just to keep the +0 equilibrium from SPAM negs. Newie =/= Internet Troll pissing off everyone. Anyways on topic: -Raigeki = Costless and splashable field clearer. No skill to play it. No balance in it. Potential + 0-4. Overall cheap. -Dark Hole = Similar to the above. Only that you need to either have no monsters or be willing to give up the ones you have in order to clear your opponent's. Though, depending on what you have, destroying your monsters might be a benefit. -Lightning Vortex = Needs a discard cost, forcing it to be able to destroy at least 2 to break even. Only threatens face-ups, so chances of not successfully clearing the field are possible. Those things are enough to make a big difference here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1308081748' post='5283205'] I don't really like Dark Hole, unless you have Sphinx Teleia and Andros Sphinx. Then you can direct attack with Theinen the Great Sphinx. But the total destruction effect is for the most part a bigger cost than discarding a card that was a dead draw anyways. [/quote] This thread is now sex and has the 94th Trollquote installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcher boyz Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 makes batterymen tier 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I wonder if we'd actually see some discussion on the card itself if Dark Hole and Raigeki didn't exist. Would that not be too hard? For god sake, nearly every single post has been along the lines of "derp derp dark hole is bettar" well no $hit sherlock, how long did that one take? Anyway I suppose I have to contribute now else my ranting would be hypocritical. It's still a good card as is anything that can punish your opponent for over extending, but was better in the past when there wasn't so much protection/negation. It saw play in decks where discarding stuff EG Dandylion/Malicious was advantageous, but again in the modern game most decks have ways of discarding or milling anyway, such as the ever common Brionac and Ryko. tl;dr its good against scrubs who think that dropping 3X Faultroll = autowin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I like it, usually run as many as I own, (up to 3 of course) and I think its cool. But, Dark Hole is better in some situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='Akira' timestamp='1308145143' post='5284936'] I wonder if we'd actually see some discussion on the card itself if Dark Hole and Raigeki didn't exist. Would that not be too hard? For god sake, nearly every single post has been along the lines of "derp derp dark hole is bettar" well no $hit sherlock, how long did that one take? [/quote] funny thing- The thread was made with the question of it being a Raigeki replacement. As such, Denny Raigeki exists kills the thread. Dark Hole is infinitely better is, pretty much, the truth of the thread. And, no, it does not help out with discarding. Even Fableds find this card's speed atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Corgi Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I hate this card. I never draw it, but always when I synchro summon my Archefiend synchro, the opponent activates this card. I just hate it :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1308147779' post='5284968'] funny thing- The thread was made with the question of it being a Raigeki replacement. As such, Denny Raigeki exists kills the thread. Dark Hole is infinitely better is, pretty much, the truth of the thread. And, no, it does not help out with discarding. Even Fableds find this card's speed atrocious. [/quote] You replied in response to my post... and still pointed out that Dark Hole is better. Wow, I quit. Also, >it discards >does not help with discarding lol you're a funny guy aint ya? sure nobody uses it now, again if you read my post properly I was commenting on the fact that decks of the past found it useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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