Nathanael D. Striker Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1311976930' post='5399398'] The object of a card game should first and foremost be making it as fun as possible (unless you're lolnami, in which you're focused on making as much money as possible and since your target audience isn't mature enough to know the difference you don't have to focus on fun). [/quote] I agree with you on this, but not on Monster Reborn. You might want to realize that duels end on the second to third turn depending on the Deck. Monster Reborn doesn't have much of the impact it used to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Well, how about this idea. The game NEEDS overpowered cards in order to be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1311976930' post='5399398'] The object of a card game should first and foremost be making it as fun as possible (unless you're Konami, in which you're focused on making as much money as possible and since your target audience isn't mature enough to know the difference you don't have to focus on fun). [/quote] Thats why they make new mechanics left to right, and promote all the cards used in the same Structure decks. The ZeXal deck is like 10$ and has just about every card used by Yuma in it. (...more or less) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Premature Burial is ridiculously easy to search, and reuse, and it doesn't have the "if this card is removed from the field, destroy the monster" bit. Therefore, it's far too reusable and 800 Life Points is not significant enough as a drawback. Monster Reborn is (basically) a costless revival that as you said, promotes luck. I don't think it deserves to be at 1; 0 makes much more sense. If the only limited revival card was Call of the Haunted (which is the most balanced of the three in that you have to Set it first, so it's the most easy to remove from the field), you'd at least have a generic revival that required some strategy/skill to play around. Reborn promotes bad plays, because if you make a mistake, it's simple to just drop it and bring your monster (or an opponent's back). It's free revival that relies too much on luck and less on strategy. Whereas Call of the Haunted is more susceptible to negation; you can't even use something like Black Horn of Heaven on a monster brought back with Reborn, whereas there's a greater amount of negation/removal for CotH, if one of the three had to be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1311975636' post='5399328'] Well, in my opinion, Monster Reborn is a good lucksack. It doesn't really give that major advantage like Pot of Greed, but allows a losing played to somehow get back into the game [/quote] Why should a player who's playing poorly be allowed to "get back into the game"? Shouldn't you worry more about punishing bad players and rewarding good ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1311979794' post='5399576'] Why should a player who's playing poorly be allowed to "get back into the game"? Shouldn't you worry more about punishing bad players and rewarding good ones? [/quote] No, that wouldn't work because it would discourage potential "targets" for lolnami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1311979794' post='5399576'] Why should a player who's playing poorly be allowed to "get back into the game"? Shouldn't you worry more about punishing bad players and rewarding good ones? [/quote] And then Konami prints: [quote] Solemn Pot of Greed -Counter Trap- Activate only if your Life Points are lower then your Opponent's, and have at least 1 "Solemn" Counter Trap in your Graveyard. Draw cards from your deck equal to the number of "Solemn" Counter Trap cards in your Graveyard.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Was YCM ever worse than GameFAQs? Everytime I check a thread there, I only see bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 lol luck. luck in doing what exactly? drawing: REBORN TENGU, LONEFIRE BLOSSOM, GIANT TRUNADE, SOLEMN JUDGMENT, 2 SOLEMN WARNING. you mean that kind of luck? f***ing pansy <__< also, Premature Burial is a +1, and every card in your hand this format either takes out a giant beat stick or is a giant beatstick. It's just a lot easier to see Monster Reborn as broken because it's simplistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1311976428' post='5399368'] The game has gotten a lot more defensive if you think about it. [/quote] I never thought about it that way. If we banned Reborn, the type and Archetype specific reborners would lol @ us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 EXPLAIN TOPIK TITLE PLOX [quote name='Black W Mage' timestamp='1311982220' post='5399674'] [b]also, Premature Burial is a +1[/b], and every card in your hand this format either takes out a giant beat stick or is a giant beatstick. It's just a lot easier to see Monster Reborn as broken because it's simplistic. [/quote] Bang. There it is. Monster Reborn is a +0, Premature Burial is a +1. Their effects are basically equally powerful - ignoring Burial's negligible cost - but Premature Burial can easily be recycled again and again. And there's the searchability that has already been mentioned. The simple justification for Monster Reborn is that it doesn't have a huge effect on the game. If you're gambling on using Reborn on a beater in the grave, you're probably going to lose anyway. If you're using Reborn on Junk Synchron and then summon Doppelwarrior, you're getting somewhere. In such a case, Reborn could be replaced by a number of marginally less useful cards, such as CotH, Synchron Explorer, or even Salvage Warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 I thought of something: Control DNA Surgery -> WATER Your field has Cannon Soldier. Revive Plaguespreader Plague + Cannon = Dewloren. Premature on Cannon Soldier. GG. Of course, this is pretty much a crappy version of the Dewloren OTK that used Mass Driver, but that's beside the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 oh wait, while Chaos Pudding is still paying attention, Crystal Beasts are like the best deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 [quote name='Black W Mage' timestamp='1311985106' post='5399797'] oh wait, while Chaos Pudding is still paying attention, Crystal Beasts are like the best deck. [/quote] [i]A lot[/i] has changed since 2008, dood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 It's still his sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 [quote name='Black W Mage' timestamp='1311985846' post='5399825'] It's still his sig [/quote] Because Hikaru made it famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted July 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 It's still in my sig because I can't be bothered to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1311989490' post='5399954'] It's still in my sig because I can't be bothered to change it. [/quote] Yea, that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyar Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 slippery slope is dumb, reborn is great at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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