Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [center][img]http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/312042.jpg[/img][/center] [center]So tell me YCM.[/center] [center]What's your opinion on Chaos Dragons?[/center] [center]We all know you used to say they suck.[/center] [center]We all know they're winning tournaments left and right.[/center] [center]We all know most of you hate Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon.[/center] [center]We all know-[/center] [center][b][color=#000080]GET TO THE POINT ALREADY.[/color][/b][/center] [center]...fine. What's you opinion on Chaos Dragons? Do you like them, do you think they're the best deck? If you hate them, is it only because of one card?[/center] [center]Tell me YCM.[/center] [center]And discuss Chaos Dragons.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Due to the structure deck, the deck is fairly cheap and I like that. I shouldn't have to pay $100 for 1 card just because its meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Chaos Dragons were made viable, playable, and, to some degree, top-tier with the advent of the Structure deck. They're an extremely sacky deck type that can dead-draw somewhat consistently. The thing about them is that they have nothing to top deck, and provide little to no protection for themselves. They generally run a very high monster count with a small to non-existant Spell/Trap count, and commonly use the Lightsworns engine. Their main problem lies in the fact that they have nothing that they can topdeck in a dire situation. Tour Guide? That only goes so far. Divine Dragon Apoc somewhat fills the missing slots, but it isn't entirely good to begin with. Disaster builds are more commonly better simply because they can provide protection for themselves which mostly eliminates the need to topdeck. They don't focus too drastically on grave setup, nor do they dead-draw as often. All in all, it's both the lack of protection and the lack of a card that can be top decked at any time that really breaks the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo Black Sun' timestamp='1337667205' post='5944745'] Chaos Dragons were made viable, playable, and, to some degree, top-tier with the advent of the Structure deck. They're an extremely sacky deck type that can dead-draw somewhat consistently. The thing about them is that they have nothing to top deck, and provide little to no protection for themselves. They generally run a very high monster count with a small to non-existant Spell/Trap count, and commonly use the Lightsworns engine. Their main problem lies in the fact that they have nothing that they can topdeck in a dire situation. Tour Guide? That only goes so far. Divine Dragon Apoc somewhat fills the missing slots, but it isn't entirely good to begin with. Disaster builds are more commonly better simply because they can provide protection for themselves which mostly eliminates the need to topdeck. They don't focus too drastically on grave setup, nor do they dead-draw as often. All in all, it's both the lack of protection and the lack of a card that can be top decked at any time that really breaks the deck. [/quote]I hate to say this Dem, but Disaster isn't better. :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1337667411' post='5944747'] I hate to say this Dem, but Disaster isn't better. :\ [/quote] In the current meta, you're right. Yet a format ago (and hopefully nex format) Disaster [i]was[/i] better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo Black Sun' timestamp='1337667536' post='5944748'] In the current meta, you're right. Yet a format ago (and hopefully nex format) Disaster [i]was[/i] better. [/quote]Well when did the Structure Deck come out? Technically speaking, the second the SD came out the Deck became better whether or not it was this or last format. Every card in today's Chaos Dragons was available upon the SD's release, it only started winning this format because someone actually figured out the goddam deck. Really, you couldn't even call Chaos Dragons a deck prior to the SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 You asked my opinion, I gave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo Black Sun' timestamp='1337668402' post='5944751'] You asked my opinion, I gave it. [/quote]Fine. Though I must ask how much have you played using the current incarnation of Chaos Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Chaos Dragons dead draw? I mean yeah, sure, possible, but when you have a billion and one easy-to-summon bosses it's stupidly unlikely. They're like Agents only with more bosses and better protection due to LPD. Oh and just to nitpick the OP, they only won one YCS. They haven't won since France. The deck itself is one that many believe is the best meta call because it has a good Rabbit matchup, but I guess a good Rabbit matchup still isn't a great Rabbit matchup as the results seem to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1337673877' post='5944772'] Oh and just to nitpick the OP, they only won one YCS. They haven't won since France. [/quote]Don't make me write another article about a YCS magically appearing in Philly. [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1337673877' post='5944772']The deck itself is one that many believe is the best meta call because it has a good Rabbit matchup, but I guess a good Rabbit matchup still isn't a great Rabbit matchup as the results seem to show. [/quote]Just because HEROs don't win doesn't mean- *shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Deck is fine...Red Eyes is the problem. A boss the can summon another boss, then can summon the boss that summons it stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Hopefully it it comes to it, Konami may just limit REDMD for the september format to water Chaos Dragons down so they can't go too derp crazy, and makes it so they can't abuse Gustav Max so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 ofc the main problem of the deck is REDMD, but FuFu is also a problem, imho looking at logic of previous decks (BWs, Plants) i could see either REDMD or FuFu getting hit in September to water down the deck, then in March the other may get hit which would destroy the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabber2033 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Just ban Lightpulsar and FuFu. Dragons need a card like REDRUM in my opinion. If REDRUM is banned, dragons won't be used at all. Banning LPD will still prevent loops with REDRUM. And opening with FuFu pretty much = gg so ban that. I probably suck for saying "ban LPD", but I like REDRUM. Dragon's won't be competitive at all without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I think I should point out that the deck uses BLS effectively which is one card that needs a perma-ban, and the TGU engine (much more effectively than most decks I might add) which add to the Chaos shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I disagree with you Canadian. I don't think BLS is so much of a problem anymore since the loss of Priority. REDMD should go to 1 and so should LPD. LPD is so hilariously easy to summon and his effect almsot ALWAYS goes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='TheKaitoKid' timestamp='1337704381' post='5944910'] I disagree with you Canadian. I don't think BLS is so much of a problem anymore since the loss of Priority. REDMD should go to 1 and so should LPD. LPD is so hilariously easy to summon and his effect almsot ALWAYS goes off. [/quote] No offense, but even without priority, it's able to show up just like that and deal 4000+ Damage in a single go. Still pretty f***ing bannable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='jabber2033' timestamp='1337684030' post='5944808'] Just ban Lightpulsar and FuFu. Dragons need a card like REDRUM in my opinion. If REDRUM is banned, dragons won't be used at all. Banning LPD will still prevent loops with REDRUM. And opening with FuFu pretty much = gg so ban that. I probably suck for saying "ban LPD", but I like REDRUM. Dragon's won't be competitive at all without it. [/quote] Then they're just SOL. Hitting REDMD will be killing 2 birds with one stone, and to be completely honest, it's worthy of being hit even without Chaos Dragons and Hieratics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Problems with Chaos Dragons: Tour Guide from the Underworld (3 cards) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (1 card) Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (2-3 cards) Future Fusion (1 card) So basically: Limit TGU Ban BLS Limit REDMD Ban FuFu Later: Make a good REDMD replacement Ban REDMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1337716956' post='5945017'] Problems with Chaos Dragons: Tour Guide from the Underworld (3 cards) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (1 card) Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (2-3 cards) Future Fusion (1 card) So basically: Limit TGU Ban BLS Limit REDMD Ban FuFu Later: Make a good REDMD replacement Ban REDMD [/quote] Don't forget Heavy Storm and Monster Reborn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 [quote name='TheKaitoKid' timestamp='1337704381' post='5944910'] I disagree with you Canadian. I don't think BLS is so much of a problem anymore since the loss of Priority. REDMD should go to 1 and so should LPD. LPD is so hilariously easy to summon and his effect almsot ALWAYS goes off. [/quote] Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning should've never come back, period. It's summoning condition is laughable, it has 3000 Atk and 2 very powerful effects with no real drawbacks. The Deck is very explosive being able to drop so many big monsters in a single turn and ones that can overwhelm your opponent a lot at that. Even outside of the Deck, Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon is probably bannable given the fact it is not difficult to summon at all and you can +1 off of it every turn it's alive and with powerful monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsianGuy1137 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I like how the topic post implied that other people thought chaos dragons sucked when its author said I sucked for thinking they were good back before they were widely played. You kids sure grow up fast. My opinion hasn't changed. They have the potential to explode, but that's pretty much the norm for most competitive decks these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='AsianGuy1137' timestamp='1337800604' post='5945585'] I like how the topic post implied that other people thought chaos dragons sucked when its author said I sucked for thinking they were good back before they were widely played. You kids sure grow up fast. My opinion hasn't changed. They have the potential to explode, but that's pretty much the norm for most competitive decks these days [/quote] >Deck has no tops, no one really discusses it. >Suddenly tops >we all play test successful versions of the deck and understand how it works >peoples opinions change >We all get better at ygo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsianGuy1137 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 All true, but the condescending attitude of some people gets really annoying when they're not that great at he game themselves. My point is that people should stop acting like they know everything and call anyone else who thinks differently a moron like a lot of ycmers seem to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='AsianGuy1137' timestamp='1337875570' post='5946084'] All true, but the condescending attitude of some people gets really annoying when they're not that great at he game themselves. My point is that people should stop acting like they know everything and call anyone else who thinks differently a moron like a lot of ycmers seem to do. [/quote]I highly doubt you were playing the competitive build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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