Agro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121011220106/yugioh/images/thumb/7/75/ArsenalSummoner-LCYW-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-ArsenalSummoner-LCYW-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] Because there's no monster for 16000. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Obligatory add Gate Guardian to your hand for Zubaba General post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Any other Guardians you can't add? Adding Eatos is pretty cool I guess, and how about Guardian Sphinx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Can this add Obnoxious Celtic Guardian? Because this is the newest text and doesn't include it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 It's called Obnoxiuos Celtic Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [quote name='-Berserker-' timestamp='1354397612' post='6082599'] Can this add Obnoxious Celtic Guardian? Because this is the newest text and doesn't include it. [/quote] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121003162335/yugioh/images/thumb/c/c8/ObnoxiousCelticGuard-LCYW-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-ObnoxiousCelticGuard-LCYW-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] Ninja'd by Kettleblack, but image > words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 It's the one card you do need to even make most guardian decks viable...too bat the Guardians themselves tend to suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Ceal and Eatos would like words with you there Kenji.... But yes, they are still lousy, and this makes them remotely Viable on top of silly amounts of stall. So yeah, it has a handful of use's, and will never be used in any tournament by anyone I think other than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 It seems quite a fun card actually with potential to search some really random stuff, for example Koa'ki Meiru Guardian and Infernity Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080523033436/yugioh/images/thumb/1/1b/UFOroidFighterDR04-EN-R-UE.png/300px-UFOroidFighterDR04-EN-R-UE.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Needs an "except Frog the Jam" clause just for the lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 I liked casually searching Yusei's Deus Ex Machina from that one time: [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110123220612/yugioh/images/thumb/8/8c/StrongholdGuardian-DP10-EN-C-1E.png/300px-StrongholdGuardian-DP10-EN-C-1E.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1354423972' post='6082937'] I liked casually searching Yusei's Deus Ex Machina from that one time: [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110123220612/yugioh/images/thumb/8/8c/StrongholdGuardian-DP10-EN-C-1E.png/300px-StrongholdGuardian-DP10-EN-C-1E.png[/img] [/quote] Legit play is...legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1354553773' post='6084154'] Legit play is...legit? [/quote] You can search for it yes, it's a legit target. Though I don't think you can discard it to protect the same monster that searched for it, if that's what you meant. In casual decks that bother attacking monsters to get rid of them, this is fun xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 You can activate Stronghold during the Damage Step (it says it on the card), so...yeah, search and then go for a 3100 DEF monster that even Blue-Eyes can't nom nom nom on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1354564551' post='6084271'] You can activate Stronghold during the Damage Step (it says it on the card), so...yeah, search and then go for a 3100 DEF monster that even Blue-Eyes can't nom nom nom on. [/quote]That doesn't work like that. Arsenal Summoner will be dead by the time Stronghold Guardian gets to your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Really? Since it's added...should you also be able to activate it as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1354564681' post='6084273'] Really? Since it's added...should you also be able to activate it as well? [/quote]Arsenal Summoner's effect will activate after damage calculation. You don't even add it to your hand until Arsenal Summoner is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ah. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 flip effects resolve at the exact same time youre figuring out whether a monster is dying or not, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354564903' post='6084276'] Arsenal Summoner's effect will activate after damage calculation. You don't even add it to your hand until Arsenal Summoner is destroyed. [/quote] Actually, flip effects activate during damage calculation, before the monster is placed in the grave. However, it is still being considered destroyed at that time (hence why Ha Des negates flip effects). This mechanic was implemented so that the flip effect monster cannot pick itself for a target in the grave, and some other reason I can't remember at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354567558' post='6084300'] Actually, flip effects activate during damage calculation, before the monster is placed in the grave. However, it is still being considered destroyed at that time (hence why Ha Des negates flip effects). This mechanic was implemented so that the flip effect monster cannot pick itself for a target in the grave, and some other reason I can't remember at the moment. [/quote]Hence why I only said it was destroyed and not that it was in the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 You said "activate after damage calculation" also, which it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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