Canadian Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121006004744/yugioh/images/thumb/1/17/BlackLusterSoldierEnvoyoftheBeginning-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.png/300px-BlackLusterSoldierEnvoyoftheBeginning-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.png[/img][/center] [center]Used to be played furiously in everything (TGU + Veiler + BLS = Winning)[/center] [center]Now it is really only a sacky boss for Agents and Chaos Dragons (which they both have a lot of)[/center] [center]Still ridiculously broken and should have stayed banned, but what is he up to nowadays?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 He's still ridiculously overpowered. If he had the same stats as Chaos Sorc, I prolly wouldn't have a problem with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 He was almost okay in goat format. But now it's too easy to get Light and Darks in grave :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 die. Die. DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE OT: I think it should be banned, even though it's a boss monster in a number of my decks. I'd even go so far as to call it a "winmoar condition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 The fact that it's a win condition is an issue. It's as easy to get rid of as any other monster with its ATK, but it's so much easier to summon and has a stupid ass effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354600628' post='6084768'] The fact that it's a win condition is an issue. [/quote] I think I'm going to try and make BLS.dek. What can search this, Gold Sarc aside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 If his effect was separated into 2 cards, one with just the multi-attack one, and the other with just the banish one, but with the same stats, I think they'd still be cards worthy of list attention. It's not just that it's a stupidly easy to bring out huge beatstick with stupid splashability, but giving you more than 1 option of what to do is also an issue. You are supposed to think what's best to play at the time, not have multiple choices within the same card when it already adds up to all the above said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 BLS has SOO many issues with its design. Number 1: Absurdly easy to Summon, needing only 1 LIGHT and DARK in Graveyard. Number 2: It's a Semi-Nomi, making it easier to recycle even if it's destroyed. Number 3: Related to 1, it's absurdly splashable since LIGHT and DARK are the most common Attributes in the game, really. It's so easy to Summon and so good, there's almost no reason not to run it. Number 4: 3000 ATK, 2500 DEF. HUGE stats considering the ease of Summoning. Number 5: It can banish any monster. Faceup or facedown. Yours or the opponent's. In exchange, it can't attack. This is a hugely powerful effect, regardless of Priority. Number 6: [s]OOPArts Atlanthal[/s] OR it can attack again if it destroys a monster by battle. It can easily destroy monsters by battle due to its 3000 ATK. It's also LIGHT, giving it a lot of support from other cards like Honest. Essentially, it can kill 2 monsters a turn by battle, or banish any threat it can't swing over, and it can attack directly, doing massive damage with ease. There's no restrictions on what it can attack during its second attack. It doesn't even have to "and send to Graveyard", so Tokens and the like work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1354601020' post='6084776'] I think I'm going to try and make BLS.dek. What can search this, Gold Sarc aside? [/quote]It's not a deck win condition, but it's as much a win condition as Master Hyperion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354601848' post='6084785'] It's not a deck win condition, but it's as much a win condition as Master Hyperion is. [/quote] I never said the deck would be good. I just want to make one for the purpose of it being annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1354605730' post='6084818'] I never said the deck would be good. I just want to make one for the purpose of it being annoying. [/quote]Well then just build Rabbit with LIGHT and DARK monsters as the targets. Run 3 Chain. 3 Emeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 BLS + Armory Arm I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1354591414' post='6084660'] a sacky boss[/quote] [/topic] But in all seriousness~ 1 Veiler and 1 Gorz is enough for someone to run this. Srsly, you could run Geargias, run 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK in it, just to jump at the chance to run this card. Its just that idiotic >__> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354608158' post='6084832'] BLS + Armory Arm I guess. [/quote] although situational but I've experienced doing that combo quite a lot in Quickjunkware.dek it does feel that BLS kinda sacky despite of being limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 One of my friends at locals told me one time when he entered a tournament and when he went to write down his decklist he only put "Black Luster Soldier", leaving out Envoy of the Beginning" after he realised that he didn't write that down he had to find a copy of the ritual monster (and the spell) to put in his deck. - Of course that can happen sometimes. Anyways, I agrees that it should be banned again, shouldn't have come off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I don't want it to get banned before I sell my GLD4 version. Then you can ban it, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Card is way to sacky and should be put on the ban-list for the remainder of yugioh's history. [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1354612106' post='6084851'] [/topic] But in all seriousness~ 1 Veiler and 1 Gorz is enough for someone to run this. Srsly, you could run Geargias, run 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK in it, just to jump at the chance to run this card. Its just that idiotic >__> [/quote] That essentially sums up how stupid this card is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 And so, people assume this topic is dead. However, I hold a view worth bumping this thread. His limiting doesn't really bother me. He's not really a problem if you have Spells/Traps to combat him, that is assuming he's alone, but even then I've had few occasions where I lost directly because of him. I've only ran him once and he doesn't cause a bunch of problems in most decks I run. This is because he's still affected by card effects and he can't Banish Spells/Traps. Call me ignorant, but I think he's good at limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1354653034' post='6085239'] And so, people assume this topic is dead. However, I hold a view worth bumping this thread. His limiting doesn't really bother me. He's not really a problem if you have Spells/Traps to combat him, that is assuming he's alone, but even then I've had few occasions where I lost directly because of him. I've only ran him once and he doesn't cause a bunch of problems in most decks I run. This is because he's still affected by card effects and he can't Banish Spells/Traps. Call me ignorant, but I think he's good at limited. [/quote] A 3000 monster that can remove anything or attack twice for little to no summoning cost doesn't deserve to be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='.Leo' timestamp='1354654821' post='6085267'] A 3000 monster that can remove anything or attack twice for little to no summoning cost doesn't deserve to be limited. [/quote] It can't remove anything, though. Just monsters. A well placed Mirror Force, Dimensional Prison, or a multitude of other Spells/Traps can stop him dead in his tracks. Hell, D.D. Warrior Lady can get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1354663201' post='6085369'] It can't remove anything, though. Just monsters. A well placed Mirror Force, Dimensional Prison, or a multitude of other Spells/Traps can stop him dead in his tracks. Hell, D.D. Warrior Lady can get rid of him. [/quote] A smart player wouldn't attack their BLS into a field of backrows in fear of the cards you just mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='.Leo' timestamp='1354663467' post='6085375'] A smart player wouldn't attack their BLS into a field of backrows in fear of the cards you just mentioned. [/quote] Which is a very good point. It doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of cards that don't require your opponent to attack like Torrential. You can still Solemn his summoning. Etc. The fact is that he's really not a problem as long you're prepared.(Like you should be.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 It's a dangerous thing to say, that a card isnt a problem so long as you're prepared for it. While it's true to the extent your Deck should be tuned to face meta threats, fact is, you cannot completely control when you have a counter to something. It's a lot of luck and careful planning and prediction. BLS is LESS of an overpowered god when Priority got removed, but it's still such a hugely powerful card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Change it to 2 of each, becomes harder to bullsh*t to? ...Or 3 Lights and 1 Dark like the Sky Scourge to make it harder for the average deck? :U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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