Archetype/Finished Set Advanced Clause Discussion Thread

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

20 x the number of cards in the set? if this has to exist, then I suppose it could be worse, but there should be an upper limit so that someone with a 20 card set doesn't require a 4,000 word review for example.

 

Just as food for thought:

 

[spoiler='325 words from an essay']

The Glass Menagerie by Tennessee Williams is notable in its depiction of realistic 3 dimensional characters. Some of the characters have multiples sides to them. In particular, Amanda Wingfield has a side that the audience would likely perceive as comical and a side that the audience can respect as good hearted.

Much to the amusement of the audience, Amada seems to mother Tom like he is five years old. During the opening dinner scene she nags him about his eating too quickly, until Tom blurts out “I haven’t enjoyed one bite of this dinner because of your constant directions on how to eat it…” (Williams, 859) and angrily leaves the table. However, Amanda is “Not [just] content to carp on his [Tom’s] eating habits, his smoking, his lack of interest in his job, and his insatiable appetite for movies, she tries to impose her puritan morality on him by censoring his reading of D.H. Lawrence…” (Fambrough, 100) once again treating Tom like he’s five. However there is a good side to Amanda “looking after” her children.

Amanda may comically over mother her children, but she also tries to ensure that they will have a future. This is less apparent with Tom and more obvious with Laura. Amanda tried to enroll Laura in a business school so she could be employed. When that plan fails, Amanda is very upset and laments that Laura turn out like unmarried, unemployed women Amanda knew in the south: “… living on the grudging patronage of a sister’s husband or brother’s wife…” (Williams, 863) Thus Amanda tries to get Laura a husband to take care of her. Arguably Amanda sees Tom as a lost cause in this respect.

Like it does through glass, light travels both ways through Amanda Wingfield in The Glass Menagerie. This light shows us her light and dark sides, since she is both comical and caring. Each literary character should have similar sides of light and dark.

[/spoiler]

 

This is about what a 15 card set would require.

[Althemia]

I was thinking of overhauling the Advanced Clause in this section to just be 40 words per review of the set since you're always going to have a lot to go through and I realized that I was too harsh. Discuss?

[Maeriberii Haan]

40 per set should promote more reviews, eventhough i think it's a bit too short. Agreed for now, might change my stance later. Also, I like King II's selective review suggestion in conjuction with IHateSnatchSteal's idea of 20x number of reviewed cards in the set; but i'll settle for 40 per set for now.

[Althemia]

40 per set should promote more reviews, eventhough i think it's a bit too short. Agreed for now, might change my stance later. Also, I like King II's selective review suggestion in conjuction with IHateSnatchSteal's idea of 20x number of reviewed cards in the set; but i'll settle for 40 per set for now.

I'm debating on just putting a cap on the amount of cards you have an in a set to 15 cards in this section. Aix brought up a good point that no-one will actually review sets with more than 15, so I feel that that's a good fix to it. Hmm... I guess then you could also go into detail about 3+ cards per post in the topic (including posts afterwards) until you've eventually covered all bases. Thoughts?

[Maeriberii Haan]

A set cap should do, since beyond that point(10-15), there'll bound be some unnecessary cards that serves little to no purpose other than to drain the both the maker and the reviewer's stamina. Also, reviewer shouldn't be forced to review all cards thoroughly, since not all card deserved it (either by being almost perfect and thus not much need to be fixed, or too bland/generic/clone-like/something like that). And, I do think that the reviewers should be able to review a portion of the set, then return to review the rest. Or something similiar to that that can't be abused. So I agreed with you on that point.

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

40 per set should promote more reviews, eventhough i think it's a bit too short. Agreed for now, might change my stance later. Also, I like King II's selective review suggestion in conjuction with IHateSnatchSteal's idea of 20x number of reviewed cards in the set; but i'll settle for 40 per set for now.

Wasn't 20x the number of cards someone else's idea? I saw it in the opening post before I posted. My idea was add a clause to it so that bigger sets don't need too many words, because once you get to 60-80 words (3-4 cards) you've already stopped the x/10 replies that the advanced clause is meant to stop. Not to mention that 20 x is ridiculous for a set like this one,

:http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/292511-cyber-enforcers/?hl=%2Bcyber+%2Benforcer

 

which has 16 cards and they all have a purpose since this archtype uses very few non archtype monsters in its deck.

 

edit: I can show you a good set with more then 16 cards 22 cards, so I think that a set size limit is not good. An upper limit on review word counts or reviewing cards in smaller groups makes more sense.

 

edit2: you also don't want people posting things like "my new set cards 1-15" and then "my new set" cards 16-19". Wouldn't it be simpler not to have a card amount limit?

[SunKistRebelution]

I'm trying to post a new topic and already have everything listed out except that when I try to post it, this site says I cannot use that image extension. What is this? Slash what can I do about it?

[Aix]

I'm trying to post a new topic and already have everything listed out except that when I try to post it, this site says I cannot use that image extension. What is this? Slash what can I do about it?

C'mon boogeyman/Sunkist/whatever you want to be called, you know well enough how forums work, this isn't the place to ask. I'm assuming you are using this site's cardmaker because that's the only one which I remember does that. You are supposed to click on your card image and an imgur link + code should pop up below it. Just copy and paste that into here.

 

For Yugico, which I seem to recall you used to use, you shouldn't be having this problem. Just try again.

[Morgan LeFlay]

I'm debating on just putting a cap on the amount of cards you have an in a set to 15 cards in this section. Aix brought up a good point that no-one will actually review sets with more than 15, so I feel that that's a good fix to it. Hmm... I guess then you could also go into detail about 3+ cards per post in the topic (including posts afterwards) until you've eventually covered all bases. Thoughts?

 

No. TCG archetypes have more than 15 cards, they should be allowed here too. The problem is with the way this advanced clause is setup. I want people to review my sets as a whole, not dwell on individual cards they want to talk about specifically. http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/42498-super-mario-brothers-8080-cards-complete-plus-yoshi-theme/ is an older thread I had. While by today's standards the reviews are short, if this "Advanced Clause" doesn't require users to write an essay, people will still review them.Even if we say something like, for sets, the minimum review is 40 words. or 60 words. Or just leave it as it is, but cap it off at a certain amount. (Like if the Set is ofer 60/80/100 words, you don't have to post more than that.)

 

I can't speak for others, but I would rather have feedback on the set as a whole rather than require users to pick and choose or to write an essay. Which is why this advanced clause was so bothersome as it pertains to sets. At least let it be optional, or set a certain amount of words per set, and not base it on the card text.

 

Or at least make it so users can choose one card to review by itself, and then afterwards, review the set as a whole without that counting towards word requirements.

 

Put it this way. If there was a discussion thread over blackwings. Or Dragon Rulers. Or spellbooks. You would discuss the set's synergy and describe that archetype's balance in compared to other Decks. You wouldn't go through each and every card and write out a response that entails the number of words of the entire set. Take Lightsworns for example. Not all of the cards are good cards that are going to be used. But a user isn't going to pick and choose the cards they think are worth reviewing, either. The whole policy is just awkward.

[Maeriberii Haan]

I believe this discussion needed a conclusion.

[Danimally]

I will say how i like to do my "sets" or archetypes.

I like to do less than 14 cards, and 9 as minimum.
I like to made a little description of my arch-working. It help reviewers to know what i wanted creating my cards.
I like to made a little story about my arch. Nowadays im with "World Ascesis", a story that explains where my cards come from.
And i like to mention my inspiration. Things like what i eat, what i study or just a image i saw on the net could be inspirational.

I don't know very much about the "meta" and things like that, and that why i post my cards here, to help and be helped.

[Dreko]

I really dont see any cards

[Lazerface]

Hey im new here and just wondering if someone could hlep me out, i finished a set that  want people to see but dont know how to post more than three pics in my thread. any help?

[Marco Polo]

There's alot of debate here, with correct arguments everywhere.
Why not just let the thread creator decide, by adding an [Advanced Clause] as a tag or in his thread name, or not add it at all..? It's optimal when each person decides what type of feedback he's intersted in for himself.

[Mdoraz]

Hold on, isn't the whole point of getting feedback from other viewers to help fix any problems with the deck? Why not just implement a set number of words per problem in the deck (Subjective Obviously). So for example, let's say 30 words per problem, that way any card that people don't see an issue with don't have to rant about what they like, and if your entire archetype has an issue, you can address it in one 30 word excerpt, and if any individual cards have problems, you can do the same, but keep it to 30 words for the problem.  I just made an archetype with 20 cards that had only a few obvious flaws, and so instead of writing a 400 word essay just to point out a single issue, keep it to 30 words for each problem.

 

You can get to the point quicker, but if you want to expand to other problems connecting to the first problem, you can start another 30 word rant on the new problem, AND it complies with the intended purpose of asking for feedback in the first place, instead of forcing viewers to just get words out for the sake of getting words out.  Also if you're worried about newer players not fully understanding the concepts of the game, isn't that what a dialogue is used for? As is when somebody suggests a fix to a card and the creator doesn't understand, wouldn't the creator start asking more questions, bringing up more problems in which we can write more 30 word rants to help them.  These are just the humble suggestions from a "new" member.