Solemn Judgment

[newhat]

 

Arguments as to where this shouldn't be run, why this is at 1 and Warning is at 2, why this should never have been released, how Laggia evasion is screwing this card over, etc.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Don't play it if you're not at least a decent player. That's all I have to say.

[Blake]

Don't play it if you're not at least a decent player. That's all I have to say.

That's awful advice because you have to learn how to play it in practice. You can't just read how to use Solemn Judgment.

 

Also excludes more than a few players in this section from using it.

 

Also, there's a debate over this @1 and Warning @2? Why? They're both in their perfect places.

[Legend Zero]

4000 Life Points is too much. This card is trash.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

4000 Life Points is too much. This card is trash.

 

i did not go through hell to have you disrespect my dueling skills!!!

[Sora1499]

It's a middle finger to any play for a steep cost, but an irrelevant one in most cases in which it's used. At 1, it is a powerful weapon that takes still to handle, but 2+ takes any meaning out of it.

[Toffee.]

I think the issue with this card, is the fact the cost is basically nonexistent.
Since, depending on the situation, using it can net you the win.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I think the issue with this card, is the fact the cost is basically nonexistent.
Since, depending on the situation, using it can net you the win.

 

It can also hand you a loss. That's the beauty of this card tbh.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

I think the issue with this card, is the fact the cost is basically nonexistent.
Since, depending on the situation, using it can net you the win.

 

 

i think that the actual issue of the card (if there even is one, which is debatable) is just how much shit it stops. it alone makes scores of other cards completely useless to use in a deck because it exists and is better. if the game were much MUCH slower then maybe i could see it going away and then people main like dark bribe again or black horn of heaven. but since thats not gonna happen judgement is here to stay and thats fine by me.

[Wildflame]

The card I never set first turn.

 

It should always be run, unless you have a damn good reason not to.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

The card I never set first turn.

 

It should always be run, unless you have a damn good reason not to.

Treacherous Trap Hole in certain Decks.

[Wildflame]

Treacherous Trap Hole in certain Decks.

Or Treeborn, or if you are maining Decree, or if you're playing Prophecies, monster mash or alt wins/burn (although it COULD be useful in Hope for Exodia for lowering your LP). Not much more than that though.

[Airride]

Sometimes I wish it was banned so I didn't have to be like WC2011 and take 10 minutes debating if I should use it on things or not.

But, it is especially good in decks that need more protection in general. Like anything I play :U

[Toffee.]

It can also hand you a loss. That's the beauty of this card tbh.

Pretty much this.
Its all timing.

[newhat]

Judgment is being excluded from a lot of top Decks; apparently the cost isn't worth the effect for some of them.

[b0b3rt]

Should be at 3.  :)

 

Pretending that this card "wins games" is silly.  It can prevent comebacks, sure, but that's hardly the same thing.  So can plenty of other things.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

That's awful advice because you have to learn how to play it in practice. You can't just read how to use Solemn Judgment.

 

Also excludes more than a few players in this section from using it.

 

Also, there's a debate over this @1 and Warning @2? Why? They're both in their perfect places.

No, because once you've played the game enough you know better what cards you will want to actually stop and situations where you would want to. You do not need to use Judgment to gain general knowledge of the game, which is what lets you properly use the card.

[Kazooie]

No, because once you've played the game enough you know better what cards you will want to actually stop and situations where you would want to. You do not need to use Judgment to gain general knowledge of the game, which is what lets you properly use the card.

 

If you don't see the results of actually using Judgement in those situations you aren't learning everything you need to learn.

 

Using Judgement isn't the end of the matter. Using Judgement changes the game a lot of the time, and how can you know if you want to use it there for sure if you haven't seen the results? It's a card you need to practice to use to the best extent.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If you don't see the results of actually using Judgement in those situations you aren't learning everything you need to learn.

 

Using Judgement isn't the end of the matter. Using Judgement changes the game a lot of the time, and how can you know if you want to use it there for sure if you haven't seen the results? It's a card you need to practice to use to the best extent.

When you're a decent player, yes. However, if you're a beginner or just a bad player you aren't gaining anything, you will just run into the situation where you think "I almost never get use out of this card, it's a bad card". You are going to learn a lot less through use when you don't know the game than once you're an experienced player.

 

It's like trying to play a fighting game and using the most complicated character to start because "you will get better at the game this way". You're better off using the simpler characters to ease into learning how to use the more complicated characters, not the other way around.

[Kazooie]

When you're a decent player, yes. However, if you're a beginner or just a bad player you aren't gaining anything, you will just run into the situation where you think "I almost never get use out of this card, it's a bad card". You are going to learn a lot less through use when you don't know the game than once you're an experienced player.

 

This makes no sense. A new or bad player won't magically learn the error of their ways. Yugioh is a trial and error game. If something doesn't work, you have to change it. If you use Solemn Judgment at the wrong time, you learn from it. That's how you learn to use it right. This goes for new and bad players. If they want to think it's a bad card, then they won't learn anything from not using it simply because they won't be thinking about using it, since they won't have it. Cause, you know, it's a bad card to them. They don't WANT to use it, to get better with it, to learn it. They're too busy saying "HALF MY LP IS TOO MUCH I WON'T USE IT."

 

You have to want to improve. If you ignore a card, you won't learn to use it right or better. :/

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Read the edit to my post. It's backwards logic to think you need to start with the most complicated things. The only way solemn judgment is going to teach you as a beginner how to use it is if you're dueling against someone who uses it, not using it yourself, because you will more than likely do it wrong each time. The only time you will -know- to play it is during the obvious times, and the remainder of the time you're either going to waste it or not play it.

[Blake]

It's not like using a complicated character. If you don't use Solemn Judgment, you can't know how to use it properly. It takes trial and error. Losing games due to mistiming judgment pushes you to learn to use it properly. Telling people not to use it is telling people not to get better at the game.

 

Most of YCM doesn't even hit decent, much less good. Out of all the people in this section, I can only think of, at most, 5 regulars that qualify as actually decent or better. YCM is no longer allowed to use Solemn Judgment.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

I don't use Solemn Judgment in 50% of my decks because I know I don't always know how to use it and also because I try to minimize dead draws as far as traps go. Plus a lot of my decks are either mostly trapless or based on the cards I have, Solemn Judgment being one I do not own.

 

Also, you're not doing a very good job of disproving that it isn't like what I compared it to. In fact, you haven't said a single thing that goes against it. You get better at the game as you play, and as you get better you will know how to use Solemn Judgment better. Just like a hard to use character, you have to know the right -ways- to use it (in this comparison, moves and combos to timings and activations). The average joe isn't going to learn squat from having a high-level card in their deck when they don't even know the basics. That's just common sense.

[Blake]

Also, you're not doing a very good job of disproving that it isn't like what I compared it to. In fact, you haven't said a single thing that goes against it. You get better at the game as you play, and as you get better you will know how to use Solemn Judgment better. Just like a hard to use character, you have to know the right -ways- to use it (in this comparison, moves and combos to timings and activations). The average joe isn't going to learn squat from having a high-level card in their deck when they don't even know the basics. That's just common sense.

Please, tell me, if someone who didn't know that Judgment existed until they were decent picked it up, how would they know how to play it? THEY WOULDN'T. That's just common sense.

 

Telling people not to play this means they don't get to learn how to use the card properly. You've yet to say anything that proves your point, either. You're just spouting what you read somewhere as law.

 

That's like saying when you pick up a deck you know everything it can do in a given situation without playtesting, and playtesting, and playtesting.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

the reason why people should use solemn to get better at it is because solemn is in the unique position of negating a whole bunch of different things. theres no other card to compare to. the closest proxy is dark bribe+both horns of heaven. think about that. one card can do the same thing as all 3 of those. with bribe or etc you are in the mindset of "which spell/trap is best for me to negate?" but with judgment you hage to think in ALL ACTIONS. is it better to hit that monster being normal summoned? or do they have COTH set making it worthless? or the reverse. what if activation COTH was a bait for stuff like solemn so they can summon from elsewhere safely? its a unique card that cant be fully understood without using it.