Βyakuya Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Once again, after hearing mention of this issue, I'm placing some insight on this. Will marijuana ever be legal in the US? Just in some states or even the total US? Although the drug is more harmless than other drugs, there are still some problems associated with it than just being plain stoned. And then there are benefits to overlooking this, economically. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I sincerely don't understand why this is illegal if cigarettes are not. It's a lot easier to damage your lungs with cigarettes than it is with marijuana. Plus, a lot of our taxpaying dollars are being spent on imprisoning people who've dealt or been caught with marijuana, much of them being younger people who will be hardened by their prison time and turning ordinary people into potential criminals. To me, the biggest problem with marijuana is it makes you feel good in doing nothing but sitting around. Which is fine in moderation since everyone needs to relax at some point, but people can become dominated by the plant and make it into a dominant part of their lifestyle rather than something best done in small doses. And it boosts creativity. None of us would have been able to enjoy Teletubbies as kids if it weren't for marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I'm not really for drugs being illegal in the first place, so this doesn't bother me at all. I'd apply the harm principle to legalizing drugs to a point. It might work, but I haven't had any thought over it, so don't fight me yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I sincerely don't understand why this is illegal if cigarettes are not.Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Money. You know how much revenue they would generate by allowing marijuana to be sold in stores? A lot. Since there's a bunch of different kinds, it'd probably need its own facility much like medical marijuana suppliers. With greater public demand would come a need for more stores to sell them, which would in turn create more jobs, something America's sorely lacking right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 And it boosts creativity. None of us would have been able to enjoy Teletubbies as kids if it weren't for marijuana. no it doesn't lol You just think your ideas are more creative because everything makes more sense while stoned Anyways I think every drug should be legal except ones that are dangerous to produce. I don't think the government has any right to say what we can or can't do with our own bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 no it doesn't lol You just think your ideas are more creative because everything makes more sense while stoned Anyways I think every drug should be legal except ones that are dangerous to produce. I don't think the government has any right to say what we can or can't do with our own bodies. Well, I was partially being facetious, but I can concede on that point. The only flaw in that logic would be some of the more hardcore drugs might make that person a danger to people around them and overdosing can be fatal. I mean, that applies to pretty much any drug, but especially to stuff like heroin and crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I honestly feel that it should remain illegal, as with every other drug. Same goes for Tobacco and Alcohol. I may seem like the incredible Mister Kill-joy right now, but I think America, nay, the world would be better off without this crap keeping us from being intelligent and stuff. I have no facts to back this up, and no sources. All I got is my gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 also requesting topic title change to "Marilization of Legajuana" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I honestly feel that having children should be illegal, as with every other form of reproduction. Same goes for Artificial Insemination and Cloning. I may seem like the incredible Misses Kill-joy right now, but I think America, nay, the world would be better off without this crap keeping us from being intelligent and stuff. I have no facts to back this up, and no sources. All I got is my gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 That stuff stinks, that's one of the reasons why I moved from my apt. Might as well legalize and make money off of it, since people are already using it regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Legalize it and regulate it, but enforce a legal buying age for it like they do with tobacco and alcohol. I'd say a good age is 21, cause by that time, most people are subject to their own decisions and consequence. And I think the reason why cigarettes aren't banned like Mary Jane is because they don't make you stoned, cause if you're a smoker and you need a "smoke break" during a long day at work, and you can't function when you get back cause you're high, then that could poise some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 The fires are burning in another land, Don't start counting, don't start counting. Colder and colder, the ice is moving closer And it gets me down. Going round and round and down the same old track. Pack on my back, going swiftly nowhere, Heart in my ear beating like a drum. Where will you go? All by yourself. (Hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah.) And now I'm standing on the corner. Waiting in the rain, But then in sunlight without warning, I invent a name, Me and Mary Jane, We had a special thing going, Me and Mary Jane. It was a time of love and laughter, It wouldn't come again, We had our round of joy but after, Then began the pain, Me and Mary Jane. We had a special thing going, Me and Mary Jane, Mary Jane. Searching for a clue. Traces on the sand. First I'm flying, going round round round, Then I'm sliding going down down down, Doesn't matter where I start I always end up Crawling through those same old crowded rooms. Me and Mary Jane, We had it coming All the pain, Walking down the streets, And finding nothing is the same, And now the city lights are dimming one by one, It costs too much money to keep them all on. Me and Mary Jane, In silence walk along the shore, Tears of joy and mocking laughter, Words lost in the wind. The tide was rising, But there we stayed, We had no fear of dying We weren't afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desu the Blue Nerd Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 How come just because something is even worse that makes another bad thing okay? What actually makes one bad habit better than another? It's not AS bad is such a sh*tty excuse. Marijuana shouldn't be legalized for recreational use. Why should it be? It's still a drug with harmful side effects. It has some medicinal effects so stick it to that. Keep it for people who can actually see benefits from its usage. It's just silly to keep it from them. Or whatever people want to use hemp for. Like rope or paper. Those are things, right? Less trees being cut down would be cool, right? We shouldn't just be letting people go to the store, buy some drugs, and get stoned. What even kind of mentality is it that we would be willing to risk people's bodies, minds, and lifestyles just so a few others have jobs? Ultimately, all narcotics and toxins such as cigarettes and alcohol should be banned but we don't live in a perfect world. The prohibition is proof of that. I honestly feel that having children should be illegal, as with every other form of reproduction. Same goes for Artificial Insemination and Cloning. I may seem like the incredible Misses Kill-joy right now, but I think America, nay, the world would be better off without this crap keeping us from being intelligent and stuff. I have no facts to back this up, and no sources. All I got is my gut feeling. Man, if only your parents had the same ideals that you do. So what exactly was the point of this? This was an absolutely god awful parody with zero point to it. He was simply stating his opinion on the topic at hand and you decided to rebute with this bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Why is it the government's right to decide what we can or can't do to our bodies? :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desu the Blue Nerd Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Why is it the government's right to decide what we can or can't do to our bodies? :mad: If people are already willing to destroy their own bodies why is it bad when somebody says no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Honestly I really despise drugs. Yeah you guys say oh it doesn't do a lot of damage, but I've seen the side affects first hand. In the doctors office, and on my close friends/family members. Take those commercials about drugs seriously. There is never a "only once" and it really does impact you in a negative way. I mean this is really just a sensitive topic for me because you have no idea what drugs can do to a person. I personally don't think drugs should be legal because we can all live a more healthy and productive lifestyle without them, and because they make you lose sight of your dreams, and hopes. Some people just become so consumed in them to the point where every conversation you have with them is about drugs, and some don't even remember what they have wanted so badly for years. Drugs really just involve you with the wrong crowd, and what I have started to notice is that the take away the passion someone used to have, or it gets dimmed. It's really sad, and I do hope that you guys stop taking drugs so lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 You shouldn't answer a question with a question. That being said, I believe that if anyone wants to do that to themself then that's their own prerogative, and the government shouldn't play the role of a nanny for its people. The disconnect comes when that "someone" is capable of taking legal action against you to stop you from doing it. It's perfectly the right of one's family or friends to tell you not to, but to lump you in with murderers and thieves for getting high and not hurting anyone else is asinine, absolutely cruel and -highly- immortal. If you harm people or pose a threat while under the influence? Sure, throw them in prison, fine them, whatever. But I fail to see why any government has the right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself in the privacy of your own home, and the thought that they have that right is both naive and regressive in terms of civil rights. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The government cannot regulate morality. Prohibition proved this. If people want to do something, they'll find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 You shouldn't answer a question with a question. That being said, I believe that if anyone wants to do that to themself then that's their own prerogative, and the government shouldn't play the role of a nanny for its people. The disconnect comes when that "someone" is capable of taking legal action against you to stop you from doing it. It's perfectly the right of one's family or friends to tell you not to, but to lump you in with murderers and thieves for getting high and not hurting anyone else is asinine, absolutely cruel and -highly- immortal. If you harm people or pose a threat while under the influence? Sure, throw them in prison, fine them, whatever. But I fail to see why any government has the right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself in the privacy of your own home, and the thought that they have that right is both naive and regressive in terms of civil rights. imo The thing is that most of the people who do drugs are making a profit off of selling it and making more people addicted. Not just that the people who usually buy drugs are teens just like you and me. The problem with this is that we are not old enough or smart to make decisions that will give us a higher chance of cancer, and other diseases in the future. Another thing I want to point out to you is just how selfish your being right now. Did you ever think how "your decisions" might affect your friends and family. Well I'm sure your mother did not go through the pain of birth (which is equivalent to breaking bones) to see you waste "your" life on pointless and no the less stupid things like drugs. And yeah your whole "They are comparing these people to murderers" thing is soo not true. They are not sentenced to any type of assault or battery, or murder. Two they get less time in jail which is there to give them time to think about what they are doing with their lives. And another thing the government puts these laws in place for a reason. What do you think your average life would be like if drugs were legal? For example what if your mom or dad decided to do drugs just because it was "legal"? What if steroids were legal as well? How do you compare a normal athlete to one on steroids? You really can't, because it's unfair. Now I'll leave you with one question, and I want you to just feel on this one. What would happen if you saw one of your family members waste their life with drugs? If every time you talked to them they looked stoned, and looked like all emotion and spark was just gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desu the Blue Nerd Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 You shouldn't answer a question with a question. I only answer good questions with actual answers. That being said, I believe that if anyone wants to do that to themself then that's their own prerogative, No. and the government shouldn't play the role of a nanny for its people. Isn't that pretty much just what the government is? It's the nanny making sure its kids are playing nice and behaving well. When they disregard the rules they get time outs. The disconnect comes when that "someone" is capable of taking legal action against you to stop you from doing it. It's perfectly the right of one's family or friends to tell you not to, but to lump you in with murderers and thieves for getting high and not hurting anyone else is asinine, absolutely cruel and -highly- immortal. Because let's for a moment pretend like the severity of the punishments ARE THE EXACT SAME. Yes, they all get sent to the same corner but the amount of time sent is based on the rule that was broken. And some especially bad kids get spanked If you harm people or pose a threat while under the influence? Sure, throw them in prison, fine them, whatever. Wouldn't it also just seem right to get rid of whatever might cause somebody to not just harm themselves but other people as well? This breaks away from your main argument but actually works against you. You're now bringing up the dangers people under the influence may pose. Don't try to dis on the way I brought up a point and then make one that actually works against yourself. But I fail to see why any government has the right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself in the privacy of your own home, and the thought that they have that right is both naive and regressive in terms of civil rights. I can see because luckily I'm not blind. A government is meant to protect the people it rules over. It sets restrictions (or at least it SHOULD) on things in order to benefit its people in the long run. imo imo, right? Was that a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 It's perfectly the right of one's family or friends to tell you not to, but to lump you in with murderers and thieves for getting high and not hurting anyone else is asinine, absolutely cruel and -highly- immortal. This is really my main issue with how we treat marijuana abusers. I feel any reprimanding should be equivalent to how a school would treat its students that got caught smoking in the school parking lot or something: suspension, Saturday detention, stuff like that. Not throwing them into freaking prison with people who've done hardcore stuff. The thing is that most of the people who do drugs are making a profit off of selling it and making more people addicted. Not just that the people who usually buy drugs are teens just like you and me. The problem with this is that we are not old enough or smart to make decisions that will give us a higher chance of cancer, and other diseases in the future. Another thing I want to point out to you is just how selfish your being right now. Did you ever think how "your decisions" might affect your friends and family. Well I'm sure your mother did not go through the pain of birth (which is equivalent to breaking bones) to see you waste "your" life on pointless and no the less stupid things like drugs. And yeah your whole "They are comparing these people to murderers" thing is soo not true. They are not sentenced to any type of assault or battery, or murder. Two they get less time in jail which is there to give them time to think about what they are doing with their lives. And another thing the government puts these laws in place for a reason. What do you think your average life would be like if drugs were legal? For example what if your mom or dad decided to do drugs just because it was "legal"? What if steroids were legal as well? How do you compare a normal athlete to one on steroids? You really can't, because it's unfair. Now I'll leave you with one question, and I want you to just feel on this one. What would happen if you saw one of your family members waste their life with drugs? If every time you talked to them they looked stoned, and just like all emotion and spark was just gone. I get what you're saying, but I feel like this applies more for heavy stuff like cocaine and heroin, stuff that will actually screw you up and give you an addiction that you need serious rehabilitation for. Marijuana's a lot tamer and unlike cigarettes that have addictive drugs like nicotine that will spawn withdrawal symptoms, marijuana does not do the same. http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_addiction.htm The majority of pot smokers do not develop a marijuana addiction, but some smokers do develop all the symptoms of an actual addiction after chronic marijuana use. Most marijuana users never come close to being addicted to weed. They do not lose control of its use; they generally use the amount they want to use and when they want to use it. When they use marijuana, they get the exact results they expect and intend to get. That is the key. Addiction can occur, but it falls on the person, not the drug. Chocolate isn't dangerous, but if you eat too much of it, you'll get fat and develop other problems. There is never a "only once" and it really does impact you in a negative way. I know some people are different, but I tried marijuana once, and I could literally go the rest of my life without ever having it again. Desu makes a point though that marijuana really should not be used for recreational use. There are much better ways to spend your time and despite my creativity quip, there really is no benefit aside from stress relief, and there are better, safer methods to alleviate that issue. I just don't feel that it should be illegal because we lose money every time we imprison a marijuana smoker, we typically turn those individuals into hardened criminals, or at the very least ruin their lives over a mistake that is not as grave as killing someone or committing a crime. And it's over something that does not bring as much immediate harm as cigarettes, like me getting away with hanging a nerd on a flagpole at school, but getting told off and yelled at for giving a noogie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Well they might not lose control in the early stages, but it depends from person to person. Really all I'm saying is that people don't take this stuff seriously enough, and that you'll lose the thing that made you special. I don't know about you but I'm never gonna take that chance. Why jump over a cliff when you can take a bridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 A reason for why it's still illegal, might come from it's very effects. Not because it's effect on one's health, but because it pretty much numbs your senses, so unlike cigarettes, which are more health-deterioring, these clash with the need of having functioning people in society. I'm all in for the legalization of it, to be honest. Though, I've never tried it, and don't really intend to. Over here in Mexico, we have a very heavy drug dealing problem, to the point it's way more powerful than the Mexican government itself, many times over. It has cause severe bloodshed and insane amounts of violence, and it'd be a step in the right direction to legalize some of their merchandice to make them lose some power. As for other drugs, of course people have/should have the right to do what they want with themselves, but such a privilege is lost when they are being harmful to others, and the issue is exactly that. Consumers become addicted. With that: -Their judgment can then get very dull: Just to give an example of how much, over here in Mexico, there is the old story of some guy that killed his mom to steal 20 pesos from her (less than 2 USD) and go buy his stuff..... -Their body will most likely keep asking for the substance: A neighboor of mine was actually fired because he lazied around or half-assed his job, and then multiple times per day he went to the back of the store he worked at and drugged himself with who knows what, coming back in a very awkward state, or so I've heard (I've seen him around and he does look weird at times) .... Then again, there are plenty more dangerous substances out there. You don't see bleach being illegal because of being harmful to your body if consumed. People's decitions play a role there, too.... it should be thought about on a case by case basis for each different substance, being so broad and delicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Man, if only your parents had the same ideals that you do. So what exactly was the point of this? This was an absolutely god awful parody with zero point to it. He was simply stating his opinion on the topic at hand and you decided to rebute with this bullsh*t. That's true, Zero liked my post. I guess you could call that 'Zero pointing to it'. In other news, I'm bringing a new product to market: reductio ad absurdum detectors. Because apparently, YCM needs those nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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