"an outdated card" [Magician of Faith]

[Agro]

I don't think people realise that most of those spells are limited because they need to be hard to draw multiples of different cards e.g. drawing Heavy AND Dark Hole, not drawing Dark Hole twice.

Eh... by that logic, wouldn't it be okay to ban Dark Hole or Heavy and semi the other? (though it'd probably be fine in Dark hole's case)

[Just Crouton]

Having not played for nearly 2 formats, do games still not last long enough for the player using Faith to make use of the retrieved Spell and reap it's rewards enough to recover?

 

I don't see the problem with this card. It's only as powerful as the Spell it can grab, but it's slow.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

Eh... by that logic, wouldn't it be okay to ban Dark Hole or Heavy and semi the other? (though it'd probably be fine in Dark hole's case)

 

No. Without Heavy Set 5 - Pass formats occur.

 

Without Dark Hole, it's a little more acceptable, but mass monster removal like this isn't a big deal and there is no reason to ban it. It only becomes a problem when drawn along with Heavy Storm, hence Limiting both being the best option.

[Superdoopertrooper]

Drawing Storm + Hole together isn't inherently bad. Both are good for the game and need to be legal. If I set 1 to the backrow and summon/set 1 monster like any sensible person in a good format would (some exceptions apply of course), why would I give a shit if you have both Heavy and Hole in hand?

[Sora1499]

Drawing Storm + Hole together isn't inherently bad. Both are good for the game and need to be legal. If I set 1 to the backrow and summon/set 1 monster like any sensible person in a good format would (some exceptions apply of course), why would I give a shit if you have both Heavy and Hole in hand?

Maybe because they're both really good cards...  :T

[Agro]

Prolly cause they gonna OTK your ass.

[Althemia]

Prolly cause they gonna OTK your ass.

We're talking about good formats here.

[Catterjune]

I'd like to steer the conversation away from suddenly turning into a discussion on Heavy and Dark Hole, but... really Magician of Faith is only as powerful as what it can grab so it's difficult to mention that without also discussing all general spells as well.

 

So there's... Apprentice Magician? And maybe you can get a lockdown with Magician of Faith + Tsukonyomi + Some Other Card and then stall for time to win, but stalling for time does not win games.

 

I have no issues with MoF being unbanned.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

You realise Mask of Darkness is better at the whole pseudo-lock thing, right? And that's unlimited.

MoF is only banned due to its scare factor, there's no longer a rational reason for it to be banned.

[Miror B]

ITT: Mask of Darkness makes limiting traps pointless since you can just recycle your Solemns or your Torrentials or your Bottomlesses or your Mirror Forces etc. etc.

[Catterjune]

You realise Mask of Darkness is better at the whole pseudo-lock thing, right? And that's unlimited.

Yep. But this topic's not about Mask of Darkness. It's about Magician of Faith. And I'm all for Magician of Faith being unlimited. It's not nearly fast enough to do any major damage to the game and the few cards that it can recur are probably a bigger problem with or without MoF's help.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

Oh, I miss-read the last part of your post. Thought you said you had issues, not no issues. Apologies.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Tbh, we shouldn't be comparing old cardsl ike this to new cards, its OP, but new cards are far more OP,  tbh the OP cards should likely be banned or limited, or errata-nerfed.

[Canadian]

By errata-nerfs you mean releasing crappy versions of the same card so that the original one can stay banned right?

[Synchronized]

Agree with Chris. There's no reason it couldn't come off the list. It would hardly see play because having to wait a turn to get the effect cripples it in a fast format.

[Sleepy]

It SHOULD come back. Spellbooks have enough ways to recycle and search their cards already. They could play it but still.

 

Also, I'd rather have this. It's slow, and having to flip and being sure to die to attacks, wasting your Normal Summon, and being prone to removal while face-down, seems pretty fair to me regardless of any staple Spell.

 

As said before, if you can re-use Heavy or Dark Hole, you kinda deserve it.

It also is generic, which is good. It encourages at the very least on a casual level, building decks with actual variety outside archtypes.