Goyo Guardian

[shelds9]

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Should this guy still be banned with all the focus on Xyz and with all of the combos and stuff that this modern Metagame is focused on? I don't see him being as threatening as he once was. Otherwise, just discuss it regularly.

[Agro]

He gives you too much for how little you actually need to put into it and it's much harder to counter than it looks.

[Aix]

He has a ridiculous amount of ATK for a Level 6, utterly outclassing Gaia.

[shelds9]

Oh yeah I totally understand both points, but with insanely easy ways to get Utopia, Zenmaines, Elemntal Dragons etc. out, is he still as threatening as he once was?

[Kingdom Xathers]

His high ATK led to his downfall. Otherwise, he would've been perfectly fine.

[Aix]

But most monsters, even boss monsters, have less than 2800 ATK.

[Toffee.]

As stated, Goyo's problem is the fact 2800, ontop of such an effect like that, made him ridiculous.
If Goyo was more like 2400-2600 and/or had more specific materials, then he might have made it a bit longer.

[Sora1499]

His high ATK led to his downfall. Otherwise, he would've been perfectly fine.

Essentially this.  If he had 23 or 24, he really wouldn't be that bad.

 

But sadly Konami can't let us have nice things.

[evilfusion]

Ugh, I just made an enormous post about Goyo in the thread I assume inspired this thread. I can't be bothered repeating it all.

 

Vital points:

 

-It's not hard to Summon as it's a generic Level 6 Synchro.

-2800 ATK easily runs most monsters over, and there's no genuine restriction on the stolen monster, other than being SSed in DEF.

-It comes from the Extra Deck, so it doesn't need to be drawn, and is technically available at all times.

-It gives a player too much of a shift in control whether or not the opponent "deserved" to be punished.

[Legend Zero]

evil you're post in the banlist thread is beautiful and a like alone is not enough to show my appreciation of it.

 

OT: Too strong, too generic, too good. This is how konami pushed Synchros, like how Windups went for Xyz

 

 

Since there really isn't anything else to add I might as well make a joke....

 

<[i][/i]_<

>_>

 

 

 

[Agro]

Oh yeah I totally understand both points, but with insanely easy ways to get Utopia, Zenmaines, Elemntal Dragons etc. out, is he still as threatening as he once was?

People still play Utopia and Zenmaines?

 

Goyo can run over most everything in this format still.

[DeathSDelano]

People still play Utopia and Zenmaines?

 

Goyo can run over most everything in this format still.

Except a redox in defense mode... thats all I can come up with

 

Anyways, Hated this card when it was Limited, and I still hate. Leave it where it is at, we don't need to add this into the fire .-. 

[~British Soul~]

You know how borked this card is when the guy who used it in the anime doesn't want it back.

[Miror B]

Oh yeah I totally understand both points, but with insanely easy ways to get Utopia, Zenmaines, Elemntal Dragons etc. out, is he still as threatening as he once was?

Yes because E-Drags are broken anyway and the other things aren't always on the field.

[Northern Sage]

It's just too good and too easy to get out.

[vla1ne]

I lost many a game because of somebody putting out a goyo in the first few turns. his atk made him run over almost every monster in my deck and I could never seem to get one until he got banned. he deserves to stay buried with the rest of them. Trishula....

[Suibon]

I lost many a game because of somebody putting out a goyo in the first few turns. his atk made him run over almost every monster in my deck and I could never seem to get one until he got banned. he deserves to stay buried with the rest of them. Trishula....

 

Just one thing -- why didn't you protect your monsters?

[ihop]

I wish it was back, it was one of the most fun cards to use ever.

 

But I know it shouldn't be.

[Legend Zero]

Just one thing -- why didn't you protect your monsters?

Not everyone can have Heart of the Cards and be a master.

[Suibon]

Not everyone can have Heart of the Cards and be a master.

 

What I meant was, with the opposing Goyo being a distinct possibility, why did he not commit protection on those that he thought were worth protecting from Goyo? At the very least, they'd be MST or Heavy bait, the opponent committing his resources to try and counter yours. If the opponent drops Goyo without thinking of the backrow and mindlessly attacking -- well, there's Goyo, in the Grave, dead till further notice.

[evilfusion]

What I meant was, with the opposing Goyo being a distinct possibility, why did he not commit protection on those that he thought were worth protecting from Goyo? At the very least, they'd be MST or Heavy bait, the opponent committing his resources to try and counter yours. If the opponent drops Goyo without thinking of the backrow and mindlessly attacking -- well, there's Goyo, in the Grave, dead till further notice.

 

You have yet to respond to my enormous post on the subject in your own thread.

 

That'd be the giant post beginning with "What if I use Heavy Storm or similiar to wipe out your backrow, or what if you don't actually have a backrow?"

 

I also went on to explain your argument was ludicrously hypothetical, and at this point, because you decided to join this conversation by asking why he didn't protect his monsters, makes me think you have a mild penchant for trolling people.

[Suibon]

You have yet to respond to my enormous post on the subject in your own thread.

 

That'd be the giant post beginning with "What if I use Heavy Storm or similiar to wipe out your backrow, or what if you don't actually have a backrow?"

 

I also went on to explain your argument was ludicrously hypothetical, and at this point, because you decided to join this conversation by asking why he didn't protect his monsters, makes me think you have a mild penchant for trolling people.

 

I haven't read your post yet, as I'm busy dealing with Pojo and stuff, but I'll answer it to your liking once I have the time to do so.

 

As for your question, though, I'll just go ahead by saying that the opponent is either a poor player or else playing Russian roulette with probability -- if the opponent sets and fails to anticipate an incoming Storm, then he's asking for it; if he doesn't set anything at all, he's asking for his monster to be run over then stolen.

[Northern Sage]

I haven't read your post yet, as I'm busy dealing with Pojo and stuff, but I'll answer it to your liking once I have the time to do so.

 

As for your question, though, I'll just go ahead by saying that the opponent is either a poor player or else playing Russian roulette with probability -- if the opponent sets and fails to anticipate an incoming Storm, then he's asking for it; if he doesn't set anything at all, he's asking for his monster to be run over then stolen.

Because in a card game like this, something like chance would just be silly, right? Everyone knows that this is a game where everyone draws exactly what they need when they need it.

[The Warden]

Okay, lemme give you a lesson on probability you sad, strange little Pojo man. In a game like this, probability can go hang itself. The odds of drawing things have values, but you will never even know what turn out you'll find. Odds are, you'll draw the card you only run 1 of in comparison to the card you run 3 of. That's what this sort of game is like; it's a game where even knowing the odds won't gurantee your safety.

 

Heavy Storm is typically 1 of 40 cards, and random chance tells you you'll either draw it, or you don't. Many people may get first turn Heavy Storms, but sometimes it might be in the bottom 10 consistently. That's the whole point of TCGs, they're supposed to be random. So random that you might get, say for example, a hand that is purely monster cards. So, that's the answer to a few of things, like why he didn't protect his monsters; because, like your arguments, he didn't have anything to defend himself with.

 

Now, would you kindly shut your trap. Your poor attempts at logic are making me nauseous.

[Superdoopertrooper]

Goyo is fine to come back. When he was banned, most people were really surprised and thought that it wasn't needed at all.