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Zazubat Newbie

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So you're going -1 or +0 to Synchro, then using this to bring out presumably Fog King or something to make a -1 (or 2) Xyz by using that and the synchro as materials... Yeah, that sucks. Try again.

Then you use Bright Black Wave for a banish and draw if that's your thing. If you build your Deck around it, it can become pretty damn good. And this card in Gimmicks? It's balling yo.

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Old School FTK enabler.

Stay banned along with superpoopertrooper.

While I agree that it should certainly stay banned, I don't really think it would cause FTKs nowadays, and the main reason that it did in the olden time is because some if its targets were bananas.

 

It could probably enable/promote lots of silly OTKs though.

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So you're going -1 or +0 to Synchro, then using this to bring out presumably Fog King or something to make a -1 (or 2) Xyz by using that and the synchro as materials... Yeah, that sucks. Try again.

Or better said: It is meaningless to try to impact people with "OMG -1 or -2 Synchros" when most Extra Deck monsters in the game are at least a -1 upon Summon.

In addition, Last Will is a +0, so don't even factor it into card advantage, either.

 

What makes it problematic is that it is a generic search from the Deck that is easy to trigger and most decks can easily use. 

For one, Synchro-centric Decks can search roughly 90% of their Main Deck monsters with this. Xyz-centric Decks have generally bigger Main Deck monsters, but still a decent amount of targets.

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That's incorrect and you know it.

 

That creature has to go from the field to the graveyard (and generally in MP1 as well for it to be any good) in order for it work. There are many times where Last Will shall be dead simply because you cant even activate it. And even if you do activate it, it's just a Mystic Tomato + UFO Turtle + the other recruiters in one, and wouldn't be uber broke or anything.

 

 

 

Sangan needs to go from the field to the graveyard too. Sure being limited to your turn IS a difference but we have tons of ways to kill our own creatures. 

 

You are VERY wrong when you say it is just a Mystic Tomato type recruiter though. Since, you know, they all have the clause "detroyed by battle". This is VERY comparable to Sangan.

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Why am I replying to this again...

 

So you're going -1 or +0 to Synchro, then using this to bring out presumably Fog King or something to make a -1 (or 2) Xyz by using that and the synchro as materials... Yeah, that sucks. Try again.

 

Two things: One if you were using Fog King, you'd make a rank 7. Quite often when you make a rank 7, you go Big Eye, you then turns even that worst case -2 into a +0.

 

Secondly: Since when has something being -1 been inherently bad? Which you seem to be implying here.

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Two things: One if you were using Fog King, you'd make a rank 7. Quite often when you make a rank 7, you go Big Eye, you then turns even that worst case -2 into a +0.

 

Secondly: Since when has something being -1 been inherently bad? Which you seem to be implying here.

 

It's not inherently bad, but in situations like these, card advantage is important. Making a big Eye AND using his effect to steal a monster for a net +0 afterwards is completely fine, especially considering you'd need to pull off a relatively rare and situational combo in order to do it. Contrast this to E-Drags who make Big Eye at a +1 (or more, if they banished other big dragons and searched), then use his effect for a total of a +3, AND the combo is ridiculously easy to do. Just putting things in perspective here, E-Drags are OP, but the game should never revert to the point where it would be considered OP to use Last Will to make a Big Eye at a -1, especially considering you'd have to have the right set-up in order to do it.

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It's not inherently bad, but in situations like these, card advantage is important. Making a big Eye AND using his effect to steal a monster for a net +0 afterwards is completely fine, especially considering you'd need to pull off a relatively rare and situational combo in order to do it. Contrast this to E-Drags who make Big Eye at a +1 (or more, if they banished other big dragons and searched), then use his effect for a total of a +3, AND the combo is ridiculously easy to do. Just putting things in perspective here, E-Drags are OP, but the game should never revert to the point where it would be considered OP to use Last Will to make a Big Eye at a -1, especially considering you'd have to have the right set-up in order to do it.

The last thing you will probably do is that, though the thing is, this is just like Sangan, except it gets it on the field instead, it's just not a well designed card! It shouldn't come back, as well shouldn't many other stupid designed cards, even if they are not the most effective, they should just stay gone.

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It's not inherently bad, but in situations like these, card advantage is important. Making a big Eye AND using his effect to steal a monster for a net +0 afterwards is completely fine, especially considering you'd need to pull off a relatively rare and situational combo in order to do it. Contrast this to E-Drags who make Big Eye at a +1 (or more, if they banished other big dragons and searched), then use his effect for a total of a +3, AND the combo is ridiculously easy to do. Just putting things in perspective here, E-Drags are OP, but the game should never revert to the point where it would be considered OP to use Last Will to make a Big Eye at a -1, especially considering you'd have to have the right set-up in order to do it.

Do you have a DN address? I would like to demonstrate a few things to you using a last will deck. the way this game has changed, it's quite simple to use this card to make horribly broken combos.

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No, that wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to trigger it first somehow, then have the high level monster in the deck to bring out AND have another high level monster with the same level on the field. This is just classic banophobia; people can't think of any good specific examples, so they start dribbling about inconsistent or mediocre combos and try to pretend it's banworthy.

Why a high level monster? Why not just level 4?

 

It's not inherently bad, but in situations like these, card advantage is important. Making a big Eye AND using his effect to steal a monster for a net +0 afterwards is completely fine, especially considering you'd need to pull off a relatively rare and situational combo in order to do it. Contrast this to E-Drags who make Big Eye at a +1 (or more, if they banished other big dragons and searched), then use his effect for a total of a +3, AND the combo is ridiculously easy to do. Just putting things in perspective here, E-Drags are OP, but the game should never revert to the point where it would be considered OP to use Last Will to make a Big Eye at a -1, especially considering you'd have to have the right set-up in order to do it.

OH MY E DRAGONS DO IT BETTER LET'S JUST PUT EVERYTHING OFF THE BANLIST!!!

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