Survival of the Fittest [SHSP]

[玄魔の王]

I thought abaout Natural Bone at first, but the fact it summons the monsters as Zombies isn't nearly as useful as summoning more Dinosaurs. No Rank 4 Xyz use Zombies, but the ones you want use Dinosaurs. It does suddenly make NBS' presence in the set make sense though.

[Toffee.]

The fact is Summons them as Zombies is irrelevant; It's a 2700 double attacker(for 1 turn) Goyo-esque monster.

[玄魔の王]

Um, not for one turn. we established it's an Equip Trap, the effect is tied to the card. And it is relevant beause the reason Goyo was good in the first place was because it turned the monsters it killed into potential material for you. If what it summons can't be used in some way, they're just taking up space.

[Kazooie]

Um, not for one turn. we established it's an Equip Trap, the effect is tied to the card. And it is relevant beause the reason Goyo was good in the first place was because it turned the monsters it killed into potential material for you. If what it summons can't be used in some way, they're just taking up space.

 

It only gets the double attack once is what he means.

 

And you can still use the monsters as materials. Oh boo hoo we can't use then to make Evolzars, it's too bad we don't have any other broken Xyz monsters! And it's pretty sad that we can't use them to Synchro Summon, if we wanna, cause you know, Natural Bone Saurus does that!

 

You're using an argument that doesn't even make sense. Bone Saurus might not be Goyo level, but it's still a decent target for this card and could be interesting to make a deck around.

 

This is a good card, and so far, all of your arguments are either horrible or just don't make sense.

[玄魔の王]

Oh okay, he meant once a turn. Sorry, spaced and thoght he meant once ever. Bone Saurus also has another problem: if it gets Veilered, it stops being a Dinosaur. Now, if the monster being Dinosaur is just an activation requirement it doesn't matter; but if this functions like an Equip Spell, it falls off. Ironically, Bone Saurus also isn't a Fossil Dig Target, which makes it harder to search (Goblin Zombie can do it, granted, but that's slower). Just making a deck around this... It seems inconsistent.

Yeah, there are other Xyz monsters you can make, I'll concede that. I'm thinking back to when Evolzars were the only Xyz people wanted to make with Dinosaurs ever. Synchro... is more problematic, most people don't leave Tuners stting around, you're gonna have to supply them yourself, and odds are you've already spent your Normal Summon on this the turn the combo comes together.

Also, I'll apologise now because I initially misremembered what Bone Saurus did and thought it was limited to LV4 or lower.

I don't think this is a bad card, I think there are too few good Dinosaurs for it to make a consistent deck around and I think we're gonna get idiots thinking the card is insanely good. We got it with Cardcar, we'll get it with this.

[Sander]

I don't think this is a bad card, I think there are too few good Dinosaurs for it to make a consistent deck around and I think we're gonna get idiots thinking the card is insanely good. We got it with Cardcar, we'll get it with this.

 

Cardcar D was insanely good when it was released, especially in decks like Chain Burn etc. etc. This card will be insanely good in Dino-Rabbit / other decks that run Dinosaurs, so the people who think this card is insanely good in Dino decks aren't idiots. I don't even know why you're stating that in the first place.

[Northern Sage]

Generally well-needed boost for Dinosaurs.

[玄魔の王]

Maybe we remember different peoplen because I recall people sying Cardcar would make for Final Countdown/Chain Burn/Exodia format.

[Sander]

Maybe we remember different peoplen because I recall people sying Cardcar would make for Final Countdown/Chain Burn/Exodia format.

 

...and that matters how? Of course there are going to be people who say stuff like that, because there's merit to say stuff like that. Cardcar was insanely good when it was released, and thinking that it being released would pump up those deck types tier wise is nothing but logical.

[玄魔の王]

There's merit to thinking it can make them hop up a bit on the tiers, but it's a stretch to say they'll go straight to Tier 1. If Dinosaurs get another good target for this I'm willing to reverse my opinion, but this alone won't put Dinos back on top.

[byak]

The card is like Horn of the Phantom Beast in the sense that it can essentially be a blowout.

 

However the card falls flat because instead of drawing cards, you just get to kill another thing in battle.

 

Sure this is good for Hydrogeddon, Guiaba, etc, but you're still risking a big investment in the two cards and you can't even protect yourself with Lance. Plus, unless you're running a bunch of Jurracs, you only get the value out of Guaiba once. If you are playing a bunch of Jurracs, your deck is probably terrible.

 

One of the reasons Horn is good is because it would return its investment when you're on the defensive side, ie when they're attacking your Rush Rhino or Warwolf.

 

All this card does on the defensive side is give your mons an extra 1000 ATK.

 

Additionally, there are hardly any Dinosaurs that float similar to the way that T.G.s float, which is another reason why Horn was played. There wasn't a risk if they had the counter to it because you could just grab another T.G. in the end phase.

 

The only Dinosaurs you will realistically be using this with are Sabersaurus, Kabazauls, Jurrac Guiaba, and maybe Evolsaurs but they get turned into Evolzars too quickly for that.

 

Lance is a strictly better card than this in terms of the usual monsters in Dino Rabbit, as Lance can protect your investments as well as give them the strength they need for battles, all while being a quickplay spell that can be used a lot faster. Also, Evolzars aren't dinosaurs.

 

Sure the 1000 boost can mean more than an 800 decrease for things like Blaster, Dracossack, Big Eye, etc, but if you're playing Dino Rabbit vs Dragon Rulers you probably aren't winning anyway.

 

Also Natural Bone Saurus won't work well unless you can consistently keep it Gemini Summoned. Like, you can't even use this card on it UNTIL you Gemini Summon it, which makes the interactions way too slow. Throwing in Supervise means you're just waiting on more cards to pull off the combo which already requires you to set a card first. The reward is powerful, but the setup is mediocre.

 

This card is just far from good.

[玄魔の王]

Since Ultimate Tyranno appears on the artwork I'm inclined to ask if you can stack their effects (ie after it kills the last monster, can you use this to attack directly)

[Toffee.]

it gets Veilered, it stops being a Dinosaur-

'Cept nobody said you had to use this card in MP1. You can use in the Damage Step, which is well out of the range of Veiler.
And if they Veiler Bone ahead of time out of suspicion, then you still have This Set for later on.

Maybe we remember different peoplen because I recall people sying Cardcar would make for Final Countdown/Chain Burn/Exodia format.

That was sarcasm, dood.

[玄魔の王]

I meant if they Veilered Bone after he was already equipped.

And no, I knew people who legitimately, seriously thought that.

[Airride]

From the trivia page on YGO Wiki:

• when this card was released, 2 very pathetic people arguing over whether Ultimate Tyranno or Black Tyranno would win in a fight finally got their answer. Those two people then went back to playing their 60 card six samurai decks with curse of dragon teched in, and nothing really happened, other than a tantrum and a very boring youtube video.

yep ok

 

Also, I don't think this would stack with Ultimate Tyranno, considering it has to attack a monster with this card's extra attack anyway.

[玄魔の王]

You could always activate this inthe Damage Step when it fights their last monster...