Mystical Refpanel

[Blake]

The ever-increasing popularity of this card as a side against dragons is intirguing.

While it's not great in the late game, if you resolves this on one of thee draw spells early on, it's a +2/3, where they did not draw 2 cards and you did.

So discuss this card as a sidecard for this format.

[Dementuo]

Technically it's only a +1 for you and a -2 for them. I say this because I believe it's incredibly important to recognize that there is a significant difference between the opponent losing cards and you gaining them, also vice-versa.

 

But yeah, I've watched this thing go up in price. It certainly doesn't seem like a bad idea. I might give it a try in Bujins...

[~British Soul~]

But yeah, I've watched this thing go up in price. It certainly doesn't seem like a bad idea. I might give it a try in Bujins...

I heard it went up in price, I just hadn't paid much attention to the card, I'd also give it a try if anyone I knew had one (or if there were any non-international sellers on ebay).

I'm surprised it didn't see a reprint in LC03 though.

[Dementuo]

I have to wonder, can this steal Tenki's searching effect?

[vla1ne]

I still have the misprinted one that I pulled from the pack. I never use it though because I'm terrible at remembering when to apply it's effect during duels.

 

on another note, The person in the red circle reminds me of caster for some reason.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

I heard it went up in price, I just hadn't paid much attention to the card, I'd also give it a try if anyone I knew had one (or if there were any non-international sellers on ebay).

I'm surprised it didn't see a reprint in LC03 though.

 

Since Yugi used this card, it COULD see a reprint in that new Yugi deck.

[Azuh]

I have a feeling Konami would never reprint this card, in the same reason why they won't release Junk Collector or reprint A Darkness Approaches. Too much rulings plus allows plays that are not familiar with current terms of the game.

 

But hey, I could be wrong

[~British Soul~]

Since Yugi used this card, it COULD see a reprint in that new Yugi deck.

Maybe... We'll just have to wait and see.

[Sleepy]

I have a feeling Konami would never reprint this card, in the same reason why they won't release Junk Collector or reprint A Darkness Approaches. Too much rulings plus allows plays that are not familiar with current terms of the game.

 

But hey, I could be wrong

Personally, I think Konami could work around this card's and Darkness Approaches' grammar.

Considering they both have around 2 lines of text alone, it wouldn't really be all that hard to specify their implications rather than a page of rulings.

Something like:

 

Darkness Approaches

Discard 2 cards, then target 1 face-up monster; flip it to face-down without changing it's position (face-down Attack Position monsters cannot change to face-up Attack Position or face-up Defense Position normally, cannot declare an attack, and if attacked, they are flipped face-up during the Damage Step).

 

Or something like that.

[Βyakuya]

Use this against Prophecy to steal Fate/Power/Whatever? Mirror duels would make this card fun to use.

[Blake]

Use this against Prophecy to steal Fate/Power/Whatever? Mirror duels would make this card fun to use.

Doesn't work like that.

 

Only affects things that affect a player. Or, in English:

Burn

LP Gain

Drawing Cards/Duality type cards

Cards that affect a player discarding

Cards that change the gamestate for a player

 

And I'm not sure how it interacts with searchers, but don't think it does work like that.

[Mugendramon]

Doesn't work like that.

 

Only affects things that affect a player. Or, in English:

Burn

LP Gain

Drawing Cards/Duality type cards

Cards that affect a player discarding

Cards that change the gamestate for a player

 

And I'm not sure how it interacts with searchers, but don't think it does work like that.

 

If Duality works, I'd assume a search does, as well. Since Rai-oh cockblock is a thing...

[Synchronized]

So someone help me out here;

 

Opponent plays Destiny Draw, discards Malicious, I chain Refpanel, I draw and don't have to pay cost? Yes? No? Maybe?

[Azuh]

So someone help me out here;

Opponent plays Destiny Draw, discards Malicious, I chain Refpanel, I draw and don't have to pay cost? Yes? No? Maybe?

It only copies the effect not the cost, so you won't have to discard, you'll just draw the cards. Just think of it like Diamond Dudes effect

[Miror B]

So someone help me out here;

 

Opponent plays Destiny Draw, discards Malicious, I chain Refpanel, I draw and don't have to pay cost? Yes? No? Maybe?

"The effect of that spell card"

Says nothing about costs.

[evilfusion]

It should allow you to perform Deck searches instead. However, there might be a ruling issue as to whether you can activate this card in response to a Spell Card whose effect you knowingly cannot perform (such as Tenki's search when you don't have Beast-Warriors, or E-Emergency Call for a simpler version).

 

The problem may end up being that Continuous S/Ts, like Tenki, can't be used because they're not targeting players. Tenki, at activation/resolution, is also boosting Beast-Warriors by 100 ATK. Refpanel only allows you to chain to cards that ONLY affect 1 player, so Upstart Goblin, which affects both players (albeit in different ways that on their own are legal for Refpanel) can't be used.

 

EDIT: Looked it up. You cannot chain this to Continuous/Equip/Field Spells. However, I didn't find a ruling directly referencing search cards, although it did say you CANNOT use it against Foolish Burial. So I presume the same rule is true for E-Emergency Call or similar.

[玄魔の王]

Can this be used to respond to Final Countdown? Because that would be the ultimate troll move.

[vla1ne]

Can this be used to respond to Final Countdown? Because that would be the ultimate troll move.

I don't think you can, but I'm not against tricking people who play final countdown into a draw. So if you can get away with it then go ahead and do it lol.

[Miror B]

I don't think you can, but I'm not against tricking people who play final countdown into a draw. So if you can get away with it then go ahead and do it lol.

Why would it be a draw?

[Sleepy]

I don't think you can, but I'm not against tricking people who play final countdown into a draw. So if you can get away with it then go ahead and do it lol.

That's not gonna happen.

The rule either says it works or doesn't.

So you would either be unable to steal their win condition, OR lol at your opponent.

 

The only chance this could end in a draw is if it DOES end up working and your opponent decides to activate a second copy that same turn.

That is, if there isn't actually some sort of reasoning I'm missing that gives preference to a certain copy of it, but IDK about that.

[vla1ne]

Why would it be a draw?

it wouldn't, that was a flaw on my part.

 

That's not gonna happen.

The rule either says it works or doesn't.

So you would either be unable to steal their win condition, OR lol at your opponent.

 

The only chance this could end in a draw is if it DOES end up working and your opponent decides to activate a second copy that same turn.

That is, if there isn't actually some sort of reasoning I'm missing that gives preference to a certain copy of it, but IDK about that.

I now know it wouldn't work, but that would not stop me from using it on somebody else's final countdown if I can get away with it... I happen to not like final countdown T_T

[~British Soul~]

I happen to not like final countdown T_T

Then again who doesn't hate Final Countdown?

[玄魔の王]

it wouldn't, that was a flaw on my part.

Oh, okay, I thought you meant convince them to accept a draw so they don't risk losing.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

refpanel does not work on searching cards, because those dont involve the cards on the top of the deck (drawing cards and duality do, so thats why they work). refpanel also doesnt allow you to copy cards that mill in any way shape or form even if it fits into one of the above.

 

so it doesnt work against prophecy at all, and it doesnt really work against anything but dragons for hitting their seven stars or consonance

[evilfusion]

It wouldn't affect Final Countdown, because Countdown doesn't target a player, nor affect the actions they take that turn.

 

The biggest issue with Refpanel, aside from being a rulings nightmare, is that it's so ridiculously specific that it has almost no application at all.